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"When we started developing the Hurd, there was no free kernel. Our motive was to get a free kernel. Since we now have a free kernel that works, namely Linux[-l

"When we started developing the Hurd, there was no free kernel. Our motive was to get a free kernel. Since we now have a free kernel that works, namely Linux[-libre], it's no longer essential to develop the Hurd. We are continuing to work on it for two reasons: 1) It has a more powerful design and that will provide some advantages. 2) It would be a GNU kernel, from the GNU Project." -Richard Stallman P.S. It's obvious you have less than a 4th grade education on both software and linguistics. "Free" means "Freedom" only one definition out of like 10, in every dictionary, defines it as "free of cost". Stallman wants (and now has), the freedom to edit source code of all software he uses, he also wants everyone to have access to gain the same freedom if they so want to obtain it. And your whole iPhone argument is completely ridiculous, Android has more power (and now equal market share) because of its underlying OS tools are Free Software. An iPhone out of the box can't do very much, you add apps to get more functionality. You do know that someone has to develop those apps, right? Having more of the platform liberated allows for developers to take more advantage of the platform, meaning more apps, more advanced apps, and easier proliferation of those apps and features across different hardware. Also, an Android phone will be the first to be quad-core powered. Know how hard Apple would have to work to get that to work on an iPhone? Yeah, a whole primary kernel module rewrite, and a $900+ price tag.

rimantas 16y ago
> Android has more power (and now equal market share) because > of its underlying OS tools are Free Software. Uhm? Xcode is free, and it compiles my iOS apps with GCC… go figure. And somewhere there is LLVM in the works, and Apple supposedly had some say in making it happen. And the there is WebKit somewhere in the picture. > An iPhone out of the box can't do very much, you add apps to > get more functionality. Android does everything without apps? Interesting. > meaning more apps, more advanced apps, and easier > proliferation of those apps and features across different > hardware. Last I heard there was no shortage in quality apps for iOS. How far is iPhone apps market lagging behind that of Android? How about possibility for developers to sell apps on Android market compared to that of App Store? Last I checked I still could not neither sell nor buy apps on AM in my country. Are you really thinking that Android market share is equal to iOS because it is open? Not because there are more than one manufacturer and more than three devices they make with android? How open is Android when it gets to under control of carriers? Where do you get source code for Google navigation app, or Google Voice?
- puppetmanbeast 16y ago
  "Uhm? Xcode is free, and it compiles my iOS apps with GCC… go figure. And somewhere there is LLVM in the works, and Apple supposedly had some say in making it happen. And the there is WebKit somewhere in the picture." Xcode is gratis, not Free Software (i.e. not GPL, not X11, not CC, nor BSD-style licensed), Webkit is Free Software, but Android uses it as well. "Android does everything without apps? Interesting." I never said Android does everything without apps, Android is more or less as functional out of the box as an iPhone. I made a point that because more of Android's OS tools are Free Software that any app developed on one Android device by vendor A can easily be used on another device by vendor B. Easier proliferation of apps is made possible because of the partial liberation of the Android OS. "Last I heard there was no shortage in quality apps for iOS." Thaaaat is true. "How far is iPhone apps market lagging behind that of Android?" iPhone still has more apps I believe, though some complain that there are too many to find a suitable app at times. "How about possibility for developers to sell apps on Android market compared to that of App Store? Last I checked I still could not neither sell nor buy apps on AM in my country." I don't know how the Android Market works, but if a country limitation is in place I would assume that either the carrier is responsible or that your country is banned just like some countries are banned from buying and selling apps on the iPhone App Store as well. "Are you really thinking that Android market share is equal to iOS because it is open? Not because there are more than one manufacturer and more than three devices they make with android?" No. I know that the Android market share is equal to iOS because it is partially Free Software which makes it easy for multiple manufacturers to make more than three devices with Android, and that makes Android proliferation in the world-wide market easy. "How open is Android when it gets to under control of carriers? Where do you get source code for Google navigation app, or Google Voice?" The base OS tools are always Free Software no matter which carrier is selling the product. And you can't get the source code of neither Google Navigation nor Google Voice, this is one of Google's Android evils.
maxharris 16y ago
P.S. It's obvious you have less than a 4th grade education on both software and linguistics. Ad hominem. Nice.

rimantas 16y ago

> Android has more power (and now equal market share) because > of its underlying OS tools are Free Software. Uhm? Xcode is free, and it compiles my iOS apps with GCC… go figure. And somewhere there is LLVM in the works, and Apple supposedly had some say in making it happen. And the there is WebKit somewhere in the picture. > An iPhone out of the box can't do very much, you add apps to > get more functionality. Android does everything without apps? Interesting. > meaning more apps, more advanced apps, and easier > proliferation of those apps and features across different > hardware. Last I heard there was no shortage in quality apps for iOS. How far is iPhone apps market lagging behind that of Android? How about possibility for developers to sell apps on Android market compared to that of App Store? Last I checked I still could not neither sell nor buy apps on AM in my country. Are you really thinking that Android market share is equal to iOS because it is open? Not because there are more than one manufacturer and more than three devices they make with android? How open is Android when it gets to under control of carriers? Where do you get source code for Google navigation app, or Google Voice?

puppetmanbeast 16y ago
"Uhm? Xcode is free, and it compiles my iOS apps with GCC… go figure. And somewhere there is LLVM in the works, and Apple supposedly had some say in making it happen. And the there is WebKit somewhere in the picture." Xcode is gratis, not Free Software (i.e. not GPL, not X11, not CC, nor BSD-style licensed), Webkit is Free Software, but Android uses it as well. "Android does everything without apps? Interesting." I never said Android does everything without apps, Android is more or less as functional out of the box as an iPhone. I made a point that because more of Android's OS tools are Free Software that any app developed on one Android device by vendor A can easily be used on another device by vendor B. Easier proliferation of apps is made possible because of the partial liberation of the Android OS. "Last I heard there was no shortage in quality apps for iOS." Thaaaat is true. "How far is iPhone apps market lagging behind that of Android?" iPhone still has more apps I believe, though some complain that there are too many to find a suitable app at times. "How about possibility for developers to sell apps on Android market compared to that of App Store? Last I checked I still could not neither sell nor buy apps on AM in my country." I don't know how the Android Market works, but if a country limitation is in place I would assume that either the carrier is responsible or that your country is banned just like some countries are banned from buying and selling apps on the iPhone App Store as well. "Are you really thinking that Android market share is equal to iOS because it is open? Not because there are more than one manufacturer and more than three devices they make with android?" No. I know that the Android market share is equal to iOS because it is partially Free Software which makes it easy for multiple manufacturers to make more than three devices with Android, and that makes Android proliferation in the world-wide market easy. "How open is Android when it gets to under control of carriers? Where do you get source code for Google navigation app, or Google Voice?" The base OS tools are always Free Software no matter which carrier is selling the product. And you can't get the source code of neither Google Navigation nor Google Voice, this is one of Google's Android evils.

maxharris 16y ago

P.S. It's obvious you have less than a 4th grade education on both software and linguistics. Ad hominem. Nice.