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I believe it is still in active development and they refuse to change the name for some odd reason. It’s like if kdenlive was named “Weinstein” wouldn’t you wan

I believe it is still in active development and they refuse to change the name for some odd reason. It’s like if kdenlive was named “Weinstein” wouldn’t you want to change it?

dijit 7y ago
I mean, I get it. I truly do, but part of me hates this idea of names being "burned". This name is a direct link to the person, and he should not be immortalised like that. But other cases (CockroachDB is one) I think people go overboard with getting offended at names. Names typically have power when we only associate them with a single thing. If we have many things with similar names then one of them being terrible, no good, or awful does not directly come to mind when the word arises.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > But other cases (CockroachDB is one) I think people go overboard with getting offended at names. Like, because they’re repulsed by cockroaches?
  - m-p-3 7y ago
    Or people getting offended by GIMP.
- blablabla123 7y ago
  > But other cases (CockroachDB is one) I think people go overboard with getting offended at names. But with this name there is a 0.1% chance in any enterprise setting that managers would accept usage of such a DB. At least as long as it's not as mainstream as maybe Redis or MongoDB. (If something is popular enough, the name is to be accepted)
  - lvturner 7y ago
    I mean, MongoDB has a pretty unfortunate name depending on where you are from... https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/mongo/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/mongo/ Didn't seem to get in it's way too much.
    - mindcrime 7y ago
      Part of me still wants to create a database called MondoDB. Tagline "The Gnarly database for all your Righteous data!"
    - SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
      Candygram for MongoDB.
  - dspillett 7y ago
    This is why the paid version of "Agent Ransack" is instead called "File Locator Pro". If I ever get around to releasing any of my own little projects they will have deliberately slightly offensive names to take advantage of this as a user filtering property. If at some point I want the difficult & demanding sort of user who is going to take issue with a project name, I can rename at that time. (of course if a project is intended to be breadwinner that may be a poor strategy!).
  - thrwaway69 7y ago
    I don't meant to be rude but from what I have seen, american people seem highly influenced by their corporates to remain "clean" without personality or quirkiness that isn't approved. I have seen this leak into many critics (may be biased due to the population size) where they sometimes expect a hobby project to have professional naming on some really arbitrary principles that are specific to them. Just odd to me or find a product unappealing to the name not sounding "clean". Cockroachdb sounds really intriguing to me, enough that I checked their website and read a few posts. First thought that came to mind when hearing it was that the db might have something to do based on resilience and replication like a cockroach.
- qubex 7y ago
  I have my roots in Germany and Italy where it’s pretty common to either have or know people who have “historically notorious” surnames, and therefore the whole idea of “burning names” never caught on (fortunately, I might add).
  - SilasX 7y ago
    Except Hitler.
    - bhaak 7y ago
      Hitler was a rare (maybe even unique?) name to begin with, being a spelling variation of "Hiedler" for unknown reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Change_of_surname https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Change_of_surname
      - mhd 7y ago
        'Adolf' on the other hand went basically extinct.
        big_chungus 7y ago
        That's much easier with a first name because they aren't typically passed down. Some families do to an extent, but not like last names.
  - slightwinder 7y ago
    With the exception of adolf, hitler and other evil masterminds. To some degree typical mobbing-names could be also seen as burned.
    - Tomte 7y ago
      https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdie-partei.net%2Fnortheim%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F09%2FEU-Liste.png&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... They found people named "Bomb, war, Göbbels, Speer, Keitel, Heß, Bormann, Eichmann" to run for Parliament.
- gaius_baltar 7y ago
  > But other cases (CockroachDB is one) And GIMP. Some people just work so hard to get offended by an acronym that happens to also be an almost-unknown slang, that they created a fork called Glimpse. That project declares that the name alone prevented adoption by thousands of companies and universities. If this is true, we should expect Glimpse adoption to skyrocket immediately.
  - numlock86 7y ago
    > Some people just work so had to get offended by an acronym [...] That's nothing compared to German law: You won't see a single license plate there that has the numbers 18, 28 or 88 on it. Although numbers like 318 or 288 would be fine ...
    - gerikson 7y ago
      Swedish license plates (currently in the form of "ABC 12E" are screened for 3-letter combos like "CIA", "KGB", "KKK" and of course "KUK". Such plates are not issued.
      - kmm 7y ago
        Belgian license plates also have 3 letters, and there is a list of 99 forbidden combinations. Most of them are slurs, swears, political parties or things like SEX or BOM (bomb). No idea about some of them, like KKQ. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgisch_kenteken#%22Verboden%22_lettercombinaties https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgisch_kenteken#%22Verboden%...
    - PhantomGremlin 7y ago
      the numbers 18, 28 or 88 Wikipedia tells me that 88 is a code number for "Heil Hitler". But what is the significance of 18 or 28?
      - numlock86 7y ago
        > But what is the significance of 18 or 28? 18 Adolf Hitler 28 Blood and Honour Same as with 88, the numbers represent the position in the alphabet.
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- jeffdavis 7y ago
  I wouldn't consider the name "Reiser" to be burned in most contexts. It's a normal name. But in this case the name is reminding us that the product was literally lead and developed by a murderer.
qubex 7y ago
To be perfectly frank, there’s no getting around the fact that a convicted murderer designed this filesystem, so… I don’t really see why changing it would make much of a difference. I don’t really get the “burned names” thing; it verges on “cancel culture” (which, from my distant cultural remove, strikes me as rather insane). I carry a surname uncomfortably close to that of widely-known Nazi Reichsminister, and in both Germany and Italy (countries I herald from) it is not uncommon for several acquaintances to have surnames with sinister historic overtones. It just happens. People don’t think too much about it.
- Neil44 7y ago
  I agree in principle but in practice and where you’re ‘selling’ something, why rub people’s noses in it if you don’t have to.
- chapium 7y ago
  Imo it should be burned. Not for everything but just for new versions of projects he himself worked on. Imagine if Victoria from Victoria's secret turned out to be an axe murderer and they kept the business name. The name is not the issue, but the the nameholder associated with it and the project.
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dspillett 7y ago
> like if kdenlive was named “Weinstein” At this point though, how many people know the name for that reason? Even at the time, the case hardly had the public notoriety that the Weinstein case has now. > refuse to change the name for some odd reason Changing the name could be detrimental as it could be mistaken for a new and relatively untested filesystem rather than one that has a long history.
mumblemumble 7y ago
You don't get to die on a hill if you don't stay on the hill.

I believe it is still in active development and they refuse to change the name for some odd reason. It’s like if kdenlive was named “Weinstein” wouldn’t you want to change it?

dijit 7y ago

I mean, I get it. I truly do, but part of me hates this idea of names being "burned". This name is a direct link to the person, and he should not be immortalised like that. But other cases (CockroachDB is one) I think people go overboard with getting offended at names. Names typically have power when we only associate them with a single thing. If we have many things with similar names then one of them being terrible, no good, or awful does not directly come to mind when the word arises.

saagarjha 7y ago
> But other cases (CockroachDB is one) I think people go overboard with getting offended at names. Like, because they’re repulsed by cockroaches?
- m-p-3 7y ago
  Or people getting offended by GIMP.
blablabla123 7y ago
> But other cases (CockroachDB is one) I think people go overboard with getting offended at names. But with this name there is a 0.1% chance in any enterprise setting that managers would accept usage of such a DB. At least as long as it's not as mainstream as maybe Redis or MongoDB. (If something is popular enough, the name is to be accepted)
- lvturner 7y ago
  I mean, MongoDB has a pretty unfortunate name depending on where you are from... https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/mongo/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/mongo/ Didn't seem to get in it's way too much.
  - mindcrime 7y ago
    Part of me still wants to create a database called MondoDB. Tagline "The Gnarly database for all your Righteous data!"
  - SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
    Candygram for MongoDB.
- dspillett 7y ago
  This is why the paid version of "Agent Ransack" is instead called "File Locator Pro". If I ever get around to releasing any of my own little projects they will have deliberately slightly offensive names to take advantage of this as a user filtering property. If at some point I want the difficult & demanding sort of user who is going to take issue with a project name, I can rename at that time. (of course if a project is intended to be breadwinner that may be a poor strategy!).
- thrwaway69 7y ago
  I don't meant to be rude but from what I have seen, american people seem highly influenced by their corporates to remain "clean" without personality or quirkiness that isn't approved. I have seen this leak into many critics (may be biased due to the population size) where they sometimes expect a hobby project to have professional naming on some really arbitrary principles that are specific to them. Just odd to me or find a product unappealing to the name not sounding "clean". Cockroachdb sounds really intriguing to me, enough that I checked their website and read a few posts. First thought that came to mind when hearing it was that the db might have something to do based on resilience and replication like a cockroach.
qubex 7y ago
I have my roots in Germany and Italy where it’s pretty common to either have or know people who have “historically notorious” surnames, and therefore the whole idea of “burning names” never caught on (fortunately, I might add).
- SilasX 7y ago
  Except Hitler.
  - bhaak 7y ago
    Hitler was a rare (maybe even unique?) name to begin with, being a spelling variation of "Hiedler" for unknown reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Change_of_surname https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Change_of_surname
    - mhd 7y ago
      'Adolf' on the other hand went basically extinct.
      - big_chungus 7y ago
        That's much easier with a first name because they aren't typically passed down. Some families do to an extent, but not like last names.
- slightwinder 7y ago
  With the exception of adolf, hitler and other evil masterminds. To some degree typical mobbing-names could be also seen as burned.
  - Tomte 7y ago
    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdie-partei.net%2Fnortheim%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F09%2FEU-Liste.png&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... They found people named "Bomb, war, Göbbels, Speer, Keitel, Heß, Bormann, Eichmann" to run for Parliament.
gaius_baltar 7y ago
> But other cases (CockroachDB is one) And GIMP. Some people just work so hard to get offended by an acronym that happens to also be an almost-unknown slang, that they created a fork called Glimpse. That project declares that the name alone prevented adoption by thousands of companies and universities. If this is true, we should expect Glimpse adoption to skyrocket immediately.
- numlock86 7y ago
  > Some people just work so had to get offended by an acronym [...] That's nothing compared to German law: You won't see a single license plate there that has the numbers 18, 28 or 88 on it. Although numbers like 318 or 288 would be fine ...
  - gerikson 7y ago
    Swedish license plates (currently in the form of "ABC 12E" are screened for 3-letter combos like "CIA", "KGB", "KKK" and of course "KUK". Such plates are not issued.
    - kmm 7y ago
      Belgian license plates also have 3 letters, and there is a list of 99 forbidden combinations. Most of them are slurs, swears, political parties or things like SEX or BOM (bomb). No idea about some of them, like KKQ. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgisch_kenteken#%22Verboden%22_lettercombinaties https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgisch_kenteken#%22Verboden%...
  - PhantomGremlin 7y ago
    the numbers 18, 28 or 88 Wikipedia tells me that 88 is a code number for "Heil Hitler". But what is the significance of 18 or 28?
    - numlock86 7y ago
      > But what is the significance of 18 or 28? 18 Adolf Hitler 28 Blood and Honour Same as with 88, the numbers represent the position in the alphabet.
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jeffdavis 7y ago
I wouldn't consider the name "Reiser" to be burned in most contexts. It's a normal name. But in this case the name is reminding us that the product was literally lead and developed by a murderer.

qubex 7y ago

To be perfectly frank, there’s no getting around the fact that a convicted murderer designed this filesystem, so… I don’t really see why changing it would make much of a difference. I don’t really get the “burned names” thing; it verges on “cancel culture” (which, from my distant cultural remove, strikes me as rather insane). I carry a surname uncomfortably close to that of widely-known Nazi Reichsminister, and in both Germany and Italy (countries I herald from) it is not uncommon for several acquaintances to have surnames with sinister historic overtones. It just happens. People don’t think too much about it.

Neil44 7y ago
I agree in principle but in practice and where you’re ‘selling’ something, why rub people’s noses in it if you don’t have to.
chapium 7y ago
Imo it should be burned. Not for everything but just for new versions of projects he himself worked on. Imagine if Victoria from Victoria's secret turned out to be an axe murderer and they kept the business name. The name is not the issue, but the the nameholder associated with it and the project.

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dspillett 7y ago

> like if kdenlive was named “Weinstein” At this point though, how many people know the name for that reason? Even at the time, the case hardly had the public notoriety that the Weinstein case has now. > refuse to change the name for some odd reason Changing the name could be detrimental as it could be mistaken for a new and relatively untested filesystem rather than one that has a long history.

mumblemumble 7y ago

You don't get to die on a hill if you don't stay on the hill.