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Updated ThinkPad Laptop Portfolio

55 points by qzio 7y ago

SirensOfTitan 7y ago
I purchased an X1 Carbon Extreme late last year, and I gotta say I wouldn’t buy Lenovo again. A crack appeared in the bezel around the screen. I figured the issue was my fault, but I also babied the device and the crack was a full crack through the plastic bezel. Lenovo could not have been less helpful because I didn’t pay for their insurance. I was very happy to pay, but wanted a quote for accidental damage for my credit card. Lenovo would not, under any circumstance, give me a quote without my paying a fee for a quote to fix my computer. At this point I’m just hoping the crack doesn’t get worse.
- sriacha 7y ago
  I had a similar cracking problem on the lid near the hinge on a X1 Carbon 6. I had the insurance, and still had to hastle them on the online forum to get it fixed.
- q3k 7y ago
  Here's a tip for anyone buying Lenovo in the future: always pick onsite warranty (not depot), and always pick accidental damage protection. It's around 10% more, but not only will accidental damage be covered, but you will also get service on site at your location of choice. You can also splurge an even extra 10% to get next-business-day onsite service.
  - iimblack 7y ago
    Also, the price is very negotiable. Don’t pay full price for the warranty.
    - jagger27 7y ago
      Do you think a single person corporation could easily get a sales contact to do said negotiation?
  - mcv 7y ago
    I got onsite support when I recently bought my X1 Extreme. It costs a bit, but if this means stuff gets repaired quickly without long waits, it's quickly worth it.
  - beefield 7y ago
    > You can also splurge an even extra 10% to get next-business-day onsite service. It is worth to note that it does not actually mean that Lenovo will come next business day to fix. It means that they "try" (whatever that means) to do something next day, and if they fail, they shrug their shoulders and come later. Source: My NBD serviced Thinkpad was bricked for something like 10 days.
  - basch 7y ago
    Often the accidental damage isnt part of the on site. So they will come on site to fix any defect, but if YOU broke it you still have to depot it. I still recommend at least the onsite, if not both, but careful because Onsite+Accidental does not necessarily mean Onsite Accidental. I am sure there are ways to cheat this system by stretching the truth, but its not the spirit of the agreement youre making when you buy the device and related maintenance contract.
  - tfandango 7y ago
    I did that and they said they couldn't fix my problem onsite (SD card reader didn't work). So I had to send it in anyway, and once I did that they said they were out of parts (they replaced the entire motherboard). I waited for a month to get it back. But I have really bad luck with stuff like that so maybe it's just me.
- Timpy 7y ago
  After about 2 years the screen on my Lenovo laptop started flickering. I opened up the laptop to re-seat the connection from the screen to the motherboard, this seemed to help a little bit at the time but it's becoming progressively worse. A friend of mine who does hardware for a major corporation told me this isn't that uncommon with Lenovo. The laptop is in otherwise great condition, but between this and Superfish I won't be buying Lenovo again either.
  - voidmain0001 7y ago
    That's interesting to read about re-seating the connector. I have a 6 year old TP T540p which experiences half of the screen flickering. When I first got the T540p the wireless signal strength was terrible. I replaced the wireless card with two different other brands but they didn't improve the signal strength. Lenovo sent a tech onsite that opened the computer up to discover that the antenna which is routed from the mobo up through the hinge was being pinched when the screen was opened.
- mcv 7y ago
  X1 Carbon or X1 Extreme? They're two different laptops.
  - basch 7y ago
    For a brief moment in time it seemed like they were marketing the "X1Carbon" as the line and the Extreme as the sku variant. They have since dropped the Carbon. It also could have been new sources quoting press releases poorly. Wikipedia also treats the Extreme as a submodel of X1Carbon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_X1_Carbon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_X1_Carbon
jagger27 7y ago
Still no departure from 16:9, it seems. Glad to see Ryzen 4000 throughout, though.
mchan 7y ago
I was hoping to see a return to 16:10 aspect ratio screens, but it looks like they're sticking to 16:9
- exergy 7y ago
  Exactly. I'm constantly needled by the fact that there isn't a single Youtube reviewer who is a full-time programmer. Or at least someone not in the "creative" domains. At least none of the big names are. It's always Nvidia this and Premiere Pro rendering times that and SD card slot whatever. Fine, but where are the people who will spend ten minutes talking about the different keyboard options they considered for their daily driver? Where are the people who have to read code for a living and will openly mock 16:9 with it's pathetic vertical space? Talking about how easy it is to dual boot Linux on the machine? If anyone knows of such reviewers, please drop a link below. I'm sick of wathching MKBHD.
  - wolfgke 7y ago
    Of course many YouTuber creators are in the video creation domain. So why view reviews on YouTube instead of reading reviews that are published in text form?
    - exergy 7y ago
      Mainly laziness and entertainment. If I was indeed buying one tomorrow, I'd spend a lot more time reading people's experiences on Reddit, for instance. But just for watching tech reviews while I eat dinner or something, I sure wish there were programmers out there making videos for that audience.
      - whatarethembits 7y ago
        I've considered filling this gap myself. Perhaps less about specifically programmers and more about regular people who have a regular job that dictates their use cases. Almost all big YouTubers are fulltime YouTubers and when it comes to tech and its impact on my day to day life, their opinions tend to be a bit lacking. Ofcourse, if you weren't a full-time YT, you likely wouldn't become big so it's a catch-22. Secondly, the review genre lends itself to a race for releasing something first and results in only the most superficial aspects of a product considered which I find could be better served as well.
cstuder 7y ago
Just last week I was ordering some Ideapads directly from Lenovo and the online store is a mess: Multiple search filters for dozens of different models and no clear technical specifications on a slow site. One example: My models are supposed to be sold with 8 GB RAM, the tech specs say "Up to 16 GB" and the order confirmation suggests 4 GB.
- stanski 7y ago
  You can almost see the multiple generations of code underneath that site. I'm sure they have the money for a good clean up.
CaptainZapp 7y ago
After that little spyware shittie they pulled off few years ago, while introducing huge security risks for their customers. And not once, but as repeat offenders[1] this is a brand I would not touch while donning a hazmat suit. May be that they didn't do that with their pro offerings, but I for one try to avoid companies with such a mindset. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lenovo+spyware https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lenovo+spyware
- hknapp 7y ago
  Looks like I will be sticking with my xps 9360. Debating whether i want the new XPS with the taller screen, or not.
- ThouYS 7y ago
  Just to add some detail as to how bad this was, they actually man-in-the-middled https connections to inject ads: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    Man that's bad. Also didn't know about the "Download Valley" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download_Valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download_Valley
- mcv 7y ago
  Wasn't that non-Thinkpad Lenovos? It's vitally important to understand that not every Lenovo is a Thinkpad. My impression is that they're a lot more careful with their Thinkpad brand than with their Lenovo brand. That said, it's true that it doesn't speak well of the company.
  - diffeomorphism 7y ago
    It might help if they do what HP did and branch out their enterprise offerings. This is, in my opinion, one thing that greatly helps apple build their reputation. When you mention "Dell" people first think of their cheap/bad inspirion stuff and not of the high priced xps, elitebook etc. models. Similarly for HP, similarly for Lenovo. For the most part it helps to think of the consumer and non-consumer branches as completely different companies that just happen to have the same name.
iso1631 7y ago
Doesn't look like any of these have a network port. Surely there's a market for a laptop with a good keyboard and real ports somewhere? If I'm at a desk I'll work at my desktop, I want a portable device for doing on site stuff, which often involves plugging into a network
- freeone3000 7y ago
  P43 and P53 have this, and might be what you want. (P1 and lower use an ethernet->usb dongle)
- pmlnr 7y ago
  Look at Japan only market Panasonics: https://panasonic.jp/cns/pc/index.html https://panasonic.jp/cns/pc/index.html
- capers87 7y ago
  The platform specifications haven't been released as far as I can tell, but i believe the non-slim T models T14 and T15 have an RJ45 port on the right side of chasis.
marcus_holmes 7y ago
Anyone know whether Lenovo still ship with Linux? Or have any experience running Linux on a modern Thinkpad?
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  Used Linux on multiple thinkpads, works well. Is one of the reasons it's popular with the Linux community. My last was a T460, but have a colleague who got a T490 and sang it's praises for a week. Think he put Arch or Manjaro on it.
- philg_jr 7y ago
  Been running Fedora on an X260 for a couple years. ThinkPads generally have good support with the cutting-edge distros because of their popularity (which is because of their robustness and repairability).
- francis-io 7y ago
  I have a T480 with Ubuntu 19.04 on and it works fine. I chose not to have a fingerprint reader or card reader, so I can't tell you if they work, but as a work laptop it's build very well and I can see another 3 years of life at least out of it. Business support is also nice, with on sight if needed (which I think you can also get with Dell).
- pyrophane 7y ago
  I run linux on a P1 (2nd gen) and I know people who run it on the X1 Carbon. The linux experience with the P1 has improved quite a bit since I got it about 8 months ago as support for the hardware has improved in the kernel. Generally, I would say ThinkPads support linux as well as anything else right now: the ultrabooks with Intel graphics are fine. Anything with optimus graphics chip will work but not quite perfectly. Imho stay away from OLED for now. Ubuntu 20.04 will bring fractional scaling and a new kernel. Along with packaging the nvidia drivers on the ISO and the optimus support they've built in, that is probably going to be the best laptop distro.
- akvadrako 7y ago
  I have the X1 Carbon from 2019 and it mostly works fine in Linux but the audio has been a major issue. Getting the microphone to work at all requires new drivers and a lot of tweaking that took months after release to become usable. The new drivers are still quite unstable and many people still have no mic or bad audio.
Tepix 7y ago
Wake on voice? In a business laptop? Creepy as hell.
muro 7y ago
So much business jargon (or honestly, just BS). You win on buzzword bingo in the first three sentences. "built leveraging the core tenets of design, innovation and quality." I do appreciate their naming, which includes now the screen size (T14,X13).
- basch 7y ago
  They really should have dropped the 1. X1 X3 X4 T4 T5 T7 T5s T5e (or T5p) E4 E5 P5 P5s P7 and then just versioned them T4v2 or T4g10 *s being slim, e being extreme or p being performance. T5P vs P5S might be confusing, so id be ok with the switch to E.
inputmice 7y ago
I bought a T495 recently. It’s the worst ThinkPad I ever owned. (After a T60, a X301 and a X250). With modern ThinkPads you have the choice between slightly thicker notebooks T4… series and decent cooling and shitty build quality and thinner, higher build quality (T4…s, and X…) and virtually non existing cooling (thermal throttles the minute you are trying to use the CPU) T495 has weird bugs (S and K keys not working after suspend); and is extremely vulnerable to what I assume are static charges; meaning if I push it over my mattress (to make room to climb into the bed) it shuts down. Never had the issue with any notebook before; Never occurred to me that this could be a problem. Battery life is crap as well.
- basch 7y ago
  To be fair, one ending in a 5 is an AMD, which has had considerably worse battery life than Intel for a decade, and is also probably somewhat to blame for suspend/sleep bugs. It might be hard to discern if you have ThinkPad issues or AMD issues, and I would not coorelate your AMD issues back to Intel ThinkPads. Battery life should have been a known expectation going into buying one.
- akvadrako 7y ago
  I don't think the thermal throttling thing is accurate. I have the X1 Carbon from 2019 and I can run my CPU continuously over 3Ghz.
alberth 7y ago
My dream laptop would be the new XPS 13 + track point. I wish Lenovo would create this. Both vertical & horizontal edge to edge screen. Super slim. Sub 14” display for those of us who travel a lot. Light weight. Etc. https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-13-laptop/spd/xps-13-9300-laptop https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-13-lapt...
- diffeomorphism 7y ago
  That is basically the X1. Edge to edge kind goes in the way of the whole milspec thing, but we will just have to wait how the (several) new models look like.
  - alberth 7y ago
    Unfortunately it’s not. X1 display is not vertical edge to edge. And it’s larger than I want. It’s 14” and I’m not wanting a form factor so large. This video (granted it’s dated) gives a sense of the size difference between XPS and X1 https://youtu.be/0prKNdJkyTI https://youtu.be/0prKNdJkyTI
throwbackThurs 7y ago
The only reason to buy a ThinkPad was repairability and expandability, now which both are non existent in their new lineup. I'll hang onto my T480 for as long as possible.
einpoklum 7y ago
It seems like the Thinkpad malaise of the past 7-8 years (at least with the X series) continues. I can't believe it, but Lenovo's best compact laptop is still the X220 or X230 (where the keyboard already started to deteriorate). Sure, the new ones are faster, but it doesn't make up for the deteriorated structural features, keyboard etc.
mnm1 7y ago
I ordered a p1 before Christmas. At the start of February, they no longer had a shipping date estimate. It took almost two weeks to get a confirmation of the cancellation and a refund, despite them being required by law to cancel it at that time and me requesting cancellation explicitly. How anyone can do business with such a shitty company is beyond my comprehension.

55 points by qzio 7y ago

I purchased an X1 Carbon Extreme late last year, and I gotta say I wouldn’t buy Lenovo again. A crack appeared in the bezel around the screen. I figured the issue was my fault, but I also babied the device and the crack was a full crack through the plastic bezel. Lenovo could not have been less helpful because I didn’t pay for their insurance. I was very happy to pay, but wanted a quote for accidental damage for my credit card. Lenovo would not, under any circumstance, give me a quote without my paying a fee for a quote to fix my computer. At this point I’m just hoping the crack doesn’t get worse.

sriacha 7y ago
I had a similar cracking problem on the lid near the hinge on a X1 Carbon 6. I had the insurance, and still had to hastle them on the online forum to get it fixed.
q3k 7y ago
Here's a tip for anyone buying Lenovo in the future: always pick onsite warranty (not depot), and always pick accidental damage protection. It's around 10% more, but not only will accidental damage be covered, but you will also get service on site at your location of choice. You can also splurge an even extra 10% to get next-business-day onsite service.
- iimblack 7y ago
  Also, the price is very negotiable. Don’t pay full price for the warranty.
  - jagger27 7y ago
    Do you think a single person corporation could easily get a sales contact to do said negotiation?
- mcv 7y ago
  I got onsite support when I recently bought my X1 Extreme. It costs a bit, but if this means stuff gets repaired quickly without long waits, it's quickly worth it.
- beefield 7y ago
  > You can also splurge an even extra 10% to get next-business-day onsite service. It is worth to note that it does not actually mean that Lenovo will come next business day to fix. It means that they "try" (whatever that means) to do something next day, and if they fail, they shrug their shoulders and come later. Source: My NBD serviced Thinkpad was bricked for something like 10 days.
- basch 7y ago
  Often the accidental damage isnt part of the on site. So they will come on site to fix any defect, but if YOU broke it you still have to depot it. I still recommend at least the onsite, if not both, but careful because Onsite+Accidental does not necessarily mean Onsite Accidental. I am sure there are ways to cheat this system by stretching the truth, but its not the spirit of the agreement youre making when you buy the device and related maintenance contract.
- tfandango 7y ago
  I did that and they said they couldn't fix my problem onsite (SD card reader didn't work). So I had to send it in anyway, and once I did that they said they were out of parts (they replaced the entire motherboard). I waited for a month to get it back. But I have really bad luck with stuff like that so maybe it's just me.
Timpy 7y ago
After about 2 years the screen on my Lenovo laptop started flickering. I opened up the laptop to re-seat the connection from the screen to the motherboard, this seemed to help a little bit at the time but it's becoming progressively worse. A friend of mine who does hardware for a major corporation told me this isn't that uncommon with Lenovo. The laptop is in otherwise great condition, but between this and Superfish I won't be buying Lenovo again either.
- voidmain0001 7y ago
  That's interesting to read about re-seating the connector. I have a 6 year old TP T540p which experiences half of the screen flickering. When I first got the T540p the wireless signal strength was terrible. I replaced the wireless card with two different other brands but they didn't improve the signal strength. Lenovo sent a tech onsite that opened the computer up to discover that the antenna which is routed from the mobo up through the hinge was being pinched when the screen was opened.
mcv 7y ago
X1 Carbon or X1 Extreme? They're two different laptops.
- basch 7y ago
  For a brief moment in time it seemed like they were marketing the "X1Carbon" as the line and the Extreme as the sku variant. They have since dropped the Carbon. It also could have been new sources quoting press releases poorly. Wikipedia also treats the Extreme as a submodel of X1Carbon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_X1_Carbon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_X1_Carbon

jagger27 7y ago

Still no departure from 16:9, it seems. Glad to see Ryzen 4000 throughout, though.

mchan 7y ago

I was hoping to see a return to 16:10 aspect ratio screens, but it looks like they're sticking to 16:9

exergy 7y ago
Exactly. I'm constantly needled by the fact that there isn't a single Youtube reviewer who is a full-time programmer. Or at least someone not in the "creative" domains. At least none of the big names are. It's always Nvidia this and Premiere Pro rendering times that and SD card slot whatever. Fine, but where are the people who will spend ten minutes talking about the different keyboard options they considered for their daily driver? Where are the people who have to read code for a living and will openly mock 16:9 with it's pathetic vertical space? Talking about how easy it is to dual boot Linux on the machine? If anyone knows of such reviewers, please drop a link below. I'm sick of wathching MKBHD.
- wolfgke 7y ago
  Of course many YouTuber creators are in the video creation domain. So why view reviews on YouTube instead of reading reviews that are published in text form?
  - exergy 7y ago
    Mainly laziness and entertainment. If I was indeed buying one tomorrow, I'd spend a lot more time reading people's experiences on Reddit, for instance. But just for watching tech reviews while I eat dinner or something, I sure wish there were programmers out there making videos for that audience.
    - whatarethembits 7y ago
      I've considered filling this gap myself. Perhaps less about specifically programmers and more about regular people who have a regular job that dictates their use cases. Almost all big YouTubers are fulltime YouTubers and when it comes to tech and its impact on my day to day life, their opinions tend to be a bit lacking. Ofcourse, if you weren't a full-time YT, you likely wouldn't become big so it's a catch-22. Secondly, the review genre lends itself to a race for releasing something first and results in only the most superficial aspects of a product considered which I find could be better served as well.

cstuder 7y ago

Just last week I was ordering some Ideapads directly from Lenovo and the online store is a mess: Multiple search filters for dozens of different models and no clear technical specifications on a slow site. One example: My models are supposed to be sold with 8 GB RAM, the tech specs say "Up to 16 GB" and the order confirmation suggests 4 GB.

stanski 7y ago
You can almost see the multiple generations of code underneath that site. I'm sure they have the money for a good clean up.

CaptainZapp 7y ago

After that little spyware shittie they pulled off few years ago, while introducing huge security risks for their customers. And not once, but as repeat offenders[1] this is a brand I would not touch while donning a hazmat suit. May be that they didn't do that with their pro offerings, but I for one try to avoid companies with such a mindset. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lenovo+spyware https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lenovo+spyware

hknapp 7y ago
Looks like I will be sticking with my xps 9360. Debating whether i want the new XPS with the taller screen, or not.
ThouYS 7y ago
Just to add some detail as to how bad this was, they actually man-in-the-middled https connections to inject ads: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  Man that's bad. Also didn't know about the "Download Valley" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download_Valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download_Valley
mcv 7y ago
Wasn't that non-Thinkpad Lenovos? It's vitally important to understand that not every Lenovo is a Thinkpad. My impression is that they're a lot more careful with their Thinkpad brand than with their Lenovo brand. That said, it's true that it doesn't speak well of the company.
- diffeomorphism 7y ago
  It might help if they do what HP did and branch out their enterprise offerings. This is, in my opinion, one thing that greatly helps apple build their reputation. When you mention "Dell" people first think of their cheap/bad inspirion stuff and not of the high priced xps, elitebook etc. models. Similarly for HP, similarly for Lenovo. For the most part it helps to think of the consumer and non-consumer branches as completely different companies that just happen to have the same name.

iso1631 7y ago

Doesn't look like any of these have a network port. Surely there's a market for a laptop with a good keyboard and real ports somewhere? If I'm at a desk I'll work at my desktop, I want a portable device for doing on site stuff, which often involves plugging into a network

freeone3000 7y ago
P43 and P53 have this, and might be what you want. (P1 and lower use an ethernet->usb dongle)
pmlnr 7y ago
Look at Japan only market Panasonics: https://panasonic.jp/cns/pc/index.html https://panasonic.jp/cns/pc/index.html
capers87 7y ago
The platform specifications haven't been released as far as I can tell, but i believe the non-slim T models T14 and T15 have an RJ45 port on the right side of chasis.

marcus_holmes 7y ago

Anyone know whether Lenovo still ship with Linux? Or have any experience running Linux on a modern Thinkpad?

blaser-waffle 7y ago
Used Linux on multiple thinkpads, works well. Is one of the reasons it's popular with the Linux community. My last was a T460, but have a colleague who got a T490 and sang it's praises for a week. Think he put Arch or Manjaro on it.
philg_jr 7y ago
Been running Fedora on an X260 for a couple years. ThinkPads generally have good support with the cutting-edge distros because of their popularity (which is because of their robustness and repairability).
francis-io 7y ago
I have a T480 with Ubuntu 19.04 on and it works fine. I chose not to have a fingerprint reader or card reader, so I can't tell you if they work, but as a work laptop it's build very well and I can see another 3 years of life at least out of it. Business support is also nice, with on sight if needed (which I think you can also get with Dell).
pyrophane 7y ago
I run linux on a P1 (2nd gen) and I know people who run it on the X1 Carbon. The linux experience with the P1 has improved quite a bit since I got it about 8 months ago as support for the hardware has improved in the kernel. Generally, I would say ThinkPads support linux as well as anything else right now: the ultrabooks with Intel graphics are fine. Anything with optimus graphics chip will work but not quite perfectly. Imho stay away from OLED for now. Ubuntu 20.04 will bring fractional scaling and a new kernel. Along with packaging the nvidia drivers on the ISO and the optimus support they've built in, that is probably going to be the best laptop distro.
akvadrako 7y ago
I have the X1 Carbon from 2019 and it mostly works fine in Linux but the audio has been a major issue. Getting the microphone to work at all requires new drivers and a lot of tweaking that took months after release to become usable. The new drivers are still quite unstable and many people still have no mic or bad audio.

Tepix 7y ago

Wake on voice? In a business laptop? Creepy as hell.

muro 7y ago

So much business jargon (or honestly, just BS). You win on buzzword bingo in the first three sentences. "built leveraging the core tenets of design, innovation and quality." I do appreciate their naming, which includes now the screen size (T14,X13).

basch 7y ago
They really should have dropped the 1. X1 X3 X4 T4 T5 T7 T5s T5e (or T5p) E4 E5 P5 P5s P7 and then just versioned them T4v2 or T4g10 *s being slim, e being extreme or p being performance. T5P vs P5S might be confusing, so id be ok with the switch to E.

inputmice 7y ago

I bought a T495 recently. It’s the worst ThinkPad I ever owned. (After a T60, a X301 and a X250). With modern ThinkPads you have the choice between slightly thicker notebooks T4… series and decent cooling and shitty build quality and thinner, higher build quality (T4…s, and X…) and virtually non existing cooling (thermal throttles the minute you are trying to use the CPU) T495 has weird bugs (S and K keys not working after suspend); and is extremely vulnerable to what I assume are static charges; meaning if I push it over my mattress (to make room to climb into the bed) it shuts down. Never had the issue with any notebook before; Never occurred to me that this could be a problem. Battery life is crap as well.

basch 7y ago
To be fair, one ending in a 5 is an AMD, which has had considerably worse battery life than Intel for a decade, and is also probably somewhat to blame for suspend/sleep bugs. It might be hard to discern if you have ThinkPad issues or AMD issues, and I would not coorelate your AMD issues back to Intel ThinkPads. Battery life should have been a known expectation going into buying one.
akvadrako 7y ago
I don't think the thermal throttling thing is accurate. I have the X1 Carbon from 2019 and I can run my CPU continuously over 3Ghz.

alberth 7y ago

My dream laptop would be the new XPS 13 + track point. I wish Lenovo would create this. Both vertical & horizontal edge to edge screen. Super slim. Sub 14” display for those of us who travel a lot. Light weight. Etc. https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-13-laptop/spd/xps-13-9300-laptop https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-13-lapt...

diffeomorphism 7y ago
That is basically the X1. Edge to edge kind goes in the way of the whole milspec thing, but we will just have to wait how the (several) new models look like.
- alberth 7y ago
  Unfortunately it’s not. X1 display is not vertical edge to edge. And it’s larger than I want. It’s 14” and I’m not wanting a form factor so large. This video (granted it’s dated) gives a sense of the size difference between XPS and X1 https://youtu.be/0prKNdJkyTI https://youtu.be/0prKNdJkyTI

throwbackThurs 7y ago

The only reason to buy a ThinkPad was repairability and expandability, now which both are non existent in their new lineup. I'll hang onto my T480 for as long as possible.

einpoklum 7y ago

It seems like the Thinkpad malaise of the past 7-8 years (at least with the X series) continues. I can't believe it, but Lenovo's best compact laptop is still the X220 or X230 (where the keyboard already started to deteriorate). Sure, the new ones are faster, but it doesn't make up for the deteriorated structural features, keyboard etc.

mnm1 7y ago

I ordered a p1 before Christmas. At the start of February, they no longer had a shipping date estimate. It took almost two weeks to get a confirmation of the cancellation and a refund, despite them being required by law to cancel it at that time and me requesting cancellation explicitly. How anyone can do business with such a shitty company is beyond my comprehension.