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Riseup

92 points by zoowar 16y ago

tommi 16y ago
Isn't that more insecure approach than distributing your communication? What if riseup gets hacked or taken down by government?
- troels 16y ago
  Just guessing, but maybe they simply help people set up distributed systems. Eg. act as an information hub, rather than a technological platform. Don't know if that's the case, but it would make sense if.
  - phaer 16y ago
    They don't. As you can see on there homepage the provide e-mail and web services to their users.
- gst 16y ago
  If I were the government I would definitely operate a site such as riseup (and monitor the communication of the individuals using it). And even if it's not operated by the government, as the servers are based in the US, they are affected by things such as National Security Letters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter). As an activist I would use something such as TorChat (http://code.google.com/p/torchat/ http://code.google.com/p/torchat/), RetroShare (http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/ http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/), or Syndie (http://syndie.i2p2.de/ http://syndie.i2p2.de/) for communication instead.
  - expertio 16y ago
    Exactly, this is just what any government want. They know where you are, they know what you are doing.
gst 16y ago
Quoting from https://help.riseup.net/policy/social-contract/ https://help.riseup.net/policy/social-contract/ : "We ask that you do not use riseup.net services to advocate any of the following: Support for capitalism [...]" So why should I use such a provider that restricts my freedom of speech?
- aneth 16y ago
  As much as I admire the effort to provide tools to oppressed people, I would strongly oppose this group. Capitalism and market economics are the single greatest tool for raising living standards, liberating people from oppression, and unleashing human creativity for the common good. Destruction of capitalism would bring the worst forms of oppression, from ignorance, to disease, to fascism.
  - deleted 16y ago
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  - jhancock 16y ago
    I'm with you if you simply take the 'ism' off capital. The ism part implies or at least condones extremism. Capital is a fine tool; one which can and is being abused. A little moderation goes a long way.
  - Qz 16y ago
    The single greatest tool for raising living standards is human ingenuity, which has been around for thousands upon thousands of years longer than capitalism has been around. Capitalism has its pros, but it also has substantial cons, and it's dangerous to go around blindly proclaiming capitalism as the solution to the world's woes.
    - aneth 16y ago
      At it's core, capitalism is an incentive system to innovate and distribute innovation. Human ingenuity is not sufficient in-and-of itself. Without being rewarded for giving your innovations to others, inventions are less likely to arise or be widely adopted.
fungi 16y ago
hehe i'm guessing none of the upvoters are leaving comments. if anyone in aus/nz is looking for a similar group of social justice/eco orientated techs try axxs.org
rabble 16y ago
Riseup has been doing great work for over a decade now. A lot of their security work, both linux kernal patches, and how to documents, have informed startups. I know they were very influential in Wesabe. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2007/view/e_sess/10492 http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2007/view/e_sess/1049... Their privacy and security work was influential in OAuth and know they're also looking at federated social networking. http://www.slideshare.net/rabble/implimenting-privacy-oauth-and-token-madness http://www.slideshare.net/rabble/implimenting-privacy-oauth-... More recently they've been building Crabgrass, a social network tool for collaboration. https://we.riseup.net/ https://we.riseup.net/ It's open source and has been adopted by various UN agencies.
mrjbq7 16y ago
I'm getting an error on their status page (https://status.riseup.net https://status.riseup.net). Error 202 (net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID): Unknown error.
- MasterScrat 16y ago
  > AUTHORITY_INVALID Now that is just great.

92 points by zoowar 16y ago

tommi 16y ago

Isn't that more insecure approach than distributing your communication? What if riseup gets hacked or taken down by government?

troels 16y ago
Just guessing, but maybe they simply help people set up distributed systems. Eg. act as an information hub, rather than a technological platform. Don't know if that's the case, but it would make sense if.
- phaer 16y ago
  They don't. As you can see on there homepage the provide e-mail and web services to their users.
gst 16y ago
If I were the government I would definitely operate a site such as riseup (and monitor the communication of the individuals using it). And even if it's not operated by the government, as the servers are based in the US, they are affected by things such as National Security Letters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter). As an activist I would use something such as TorChat (http://code.google.com/p/torchat/ http://code.google.com/p/torchat/), RetroShare (http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/ http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/), or Syndie (http://syndie.i2p2.de/ http://syndie.i2p2.de/) for communication instead.
- expertio 16y ago
  Exactly, this is just what any government want. They know where you are, they know what you are doing.

gst 16y ago

Quoting from https://help.riseup.net/policy/social-contract/ https://help.riseup.net/policy/social-contract/ : "We ask that you do not use riseup.net services to advocate any of the following: Support for capitalism [...]" So why should I use such a provider that restricts my freedom of speech?

aneth 16y ago
As much as I admire the effort to provide tools to oppressed people, I would strongly oppose this group. Capitalism and market economics are the single greatest tool for raising living standards, liberating people from oppression, and unleashing human creativity for the common good. Destruction of capitalism would bring the worst forms of oppression, from ignorance, to disease, to fascism.
- deleted 16y ago
  [deleted]
- jhancock 16y ago
  I'm with you if you simply take the 'ism' off capital. The ism part implies or at least condones extremism. Capital is a fine tool; one which can and is being abused. A little moderation goes a long way.
- Qz 16y ago
  The single greatest tool for raising living standards is human ingenuity, which has been around for thousands upon thousands of years longer than capitalism has been around. Capitalism has its pros, but it also has substantial cons, and it's dangerous to go around blindly proclaiming capitalism as the solution to the world's woes.
  - aneth 16y ago
    At it's core, capitalism is an incentive system to innovate and distribute innovation. Human ingenuity is not sufficient in-and-of itself. Without being rewarded for giving your innovations to others, inventions are less likely to arise or be widely adopted.

fungi 16y ago

hehe i'm guessing none of the upvoters are leaving comments. if anyone in aus/nz is looking for a similar group of social justice/eco orientated techs try axxs.org

rabble 16y ago

Riseup has been doing great work for over a decade now. A lot of their security work, both linux kernal patches, and how to documents, have informed startups. I know they were very influential in Wesabe. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2007/view/e_sess/10492 http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2007/view/e_sess/1049... Their privacy and security work was influential in OAuth and know they're also looking at federated social networking. http://www.slideshare.net/rabble/implimenting-privacy-oauth-and-token-madness http://www.slideshare.net/rabble/implimenting-privacy-oauth-... More recently they've been building Crabgrass, a social network tool for collaboration. https://we.riseup.net/ https://we.riseup.net/ It's open source and has been adopted by various UN agencies.

mrjbq7 16y ago

I'm getting an error on their status page (https://status.riseup.net https://status.riseup.net). Error 202 (net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID): Unknown error.

MasterScrat 16y ago
> AUTHORITY_INVALID Now that is just great.