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A high spec Mac Pro isn't much more expensive than a similarly spec'd HP/Dell workstation.

ChuckNorris89 7y ago
For the base config with the pitiful 256GB SSD maybe, but once you start loading it up to usable workstation grade configs the difference becomes wider and wider. And with DELL/HP you can also go the AMD route with even better performance/bang for your buck. IIRC the Mac Pro is mostly aimed at music/graphic professionals for whom the software is Mac only.
- NoPicklez 7y ago
  That's right and the spec'd up Mac Pro can deliver you performance tailored to music/graphic/video professionals that almost no PC can.
  - archerx 7y ago
    That is not true.
    - NoPicklez 7y ago
      How so?
  - martin_a 7y ago
    That might have been the case 15 years ago, when software was specifically written to work with the different CPU architecture. Nowadays it's Intel and so any Intel (or AMD) CPU will perform just as good as the Mac Pro CPUs with these tasks.
    - NoPicklez 7y ago
      You do know that the Mac Pro's CPU is Intel right? Check out the machine and see the amount of other hardware components that can be attached to it that makes it outshine a PC for its use case. The spec'd up Mac Pro is a complete beast. It can run upto 1.5TB's of memory at 140GB/s, it has eight PCIE slots that can include two Radeon Pro Vega II Duo MPX Module's that provide 32GB of video memory per GPU that cranks out 28 teraflops of computing power per duo which is 56 teraflops with both modules installed. The 2080 Ti only puts out 14 teraflops. Remember, these are designed for video editing, image processing and graphics design. PS: I am a PC builder and avid fan of PC's.
      - martin_a 7y ago
        > You do know that the Mac Pro's CPU is Intel right? That was my point. ;-) I don't think that Adobe or others are still optimizing their software to run better on Mac OS. How would they? Any Mac is a (special) configuration of parts from the shelves of Intel and alike. I think it was different with the PowerPC architecture where you could do things differently internally. The Mac Pro surely is a beast but I think you could configure/build other workstations to have the same amount of power.
        NoPicklez 7y ago
        Fair enough, sorry my "You do know xxx right?" was a little crude. I was under assumption that the Apple software (Final cut etc) had special drives for the graphics elements. Then again, that would become EOL quicker than you can poke a stick at it.
- mdemare 7y ago
  I couldn't find any dell or hp workstations that go over 64GB in RAM. The Mac Pro goes up to 1.5TB. Apples and oranges.
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    I don't know what you saw on heir websites but we have an EPYC powered HP workstation with 1tb of RAM in the office for almost a year now.
  - MrUnderhill 7y ago
    It looks like you can configure the Dell Precision 7920 [1] and the HP Z8 [2] both with 3TB if you want (admittedly at an absolutely bonkers price point). [1] https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certified/precision-7920-tower-workstation/spd/precision-7920-workstation/xctopt7920us_4?view=configurations https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certif... [2] https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-z8-g4-workstation-customizable-z3z16av-1 https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-z8-g4-workstation-customiz...
    - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
      More bonkers than what Apple is charging?
      - bluedino 7y ago
        Yes, Dell actually wants a little bit more for RAM than Apple does. Not by much though.
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For the base config with the pitiful 256GB SSD maybe, but once you start loading it up to usable workstation grade configs the difference becomes wider and wider. And with DELL/HP you can also go the AMD route with even better performance/bang for your buck. IIRC the Mac Pro is mostly aimed at music/graphic professionals for whom the software is Mac only.

NoPicklez 7y ago
That's right and the spec'd up Mac Pro can deliver you performance tailored to music/graphic/video professionals that almost no PC can.
- archerx 7y ago
  That is not true.
  - NoPicklez 7y ago
    How so?
- martin_a 7y ago
  That might have been the case 15 years ago, when software was specifically written to work with the different CPU architecture. Nowadays it's Intel and so any Intel (or AMD) CPU will perform just as good as the Mac Pro CPUs with these tasks.
  - NoPicklez 7y ago
    You do know that the Mac Pro's CPU is Intel right? Check out the machine and see the amount of other hardware components that can be attached to it that makes it outshine a PC for its use case. The spec'd up Mac Pro is a complete beast. It can run upto 1.5TB's of memory at 140GB/s, it has eight PCIE slots that can include two Radeon Pro Vega II Duo MPX Module's that provide 32GB of video memory per GPU that cranks out 28 teraflops of computing power per duo which is 56 teraflops with both modules installed. The 2080 Ti only puts out 14 teraflops. Remember, these are designed for video editing, image processing and graphics design. PS: I am a PC builder and avid fan of PC's.
    - martin_a 7y ago
      > You do know that the Mac Pro's CPU is Intel right? That was my point. ;-) I don't think that Adobe or others are still optimizing their software to run better on Mac OS. How would they? Any Mac is a (special) configuration of parts from the shelves of Intel and alike. I think it was different with the PowerPC architecture where you could do things differently internally. The Mac Pro surely is a beast but I think you could configure/build other workstations to have the same amount of power.
      - NoPicklez 7y ago
        Fair enough, sorry my "You do know xxx right?" was a little crude. I was under assumption that the Apple software (Final cut etc) had special drives for the graphics elements. Then again, that would become EOL quicker than you can poke a stick at it.
mdemare 7y ago
I couldn't find any dell or hp workstations that go over 64GB in RAM. The Mac Pro goes up to 1.5TB. Apples and oranges.
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  I don't know what you saw on heir websites but we have an EPYC powered HP workstation with 1tb of RAM in the office for almost a year now.
- MrUnderhill 7y ago
  It looks like you can configure the Dell Precision 7920 [1] and the HP Z8 [2] both with 3TB if you want (admittedly at an absolutely bonkers price point). [1] https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certified/precision-7920-tower-workstation/spd/precision-7920-workstation/xctopt7920us_4?view=configurations https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certif... [2] https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-z8-g4-workstation-customizable-z3z16av-1 https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-z8-g4-workstation-customiz...
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    More bonkers than what Apple is charging?
    - bluedino 7y ago
      Yes, Dell actually wants a little bit more for RAM than Apple does. Not by much though.
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