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When you use the phrase "un-American" please remember that you're talking to an international audience who see being American as a completely orthogonal issue t

When you use the phrase "un-American" please remember that you're talking to an international audience who see being American as a completely orthogonal issue to any type of behaviour. It makes you seem parochial, and slightly nationalistic.

tristor 7y ago
To be clear, the parent comment is written by someone who is upset that CloudFlare terminated service to violent neo-Nazis. The fact their language is nationalistic is unsurprising.
- martin1975 7y ago
  Violent? I'm not aware of any lawsuits due to violence by the neo Nazi founder and I despise neo Nazi speech as anyone else. You completely missed the point or maybe you just don't give a s++t about 1A rights. The other issue is they claimed to be hands off to customers, obviously within the bounds of the law. The sad truth is this - distasteful as DS/Anglin is, he was not running afoul of the law. Matthew Prince unilaterally decided to reverse 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence for one of its customers because he disagreed with their views. These Matthew Prince types are the same assclowns who sue Christian bakeries for refusing to adorn wedding cakes with 2 male or 2 female figures when they exercise their 1A rights to discriminate based in faith preferences. The height of hypocrisy displayed by Cloudflare was galaxy sized, despite it being legal. That's what I and many others blasted them about. I can't put it any more clearly than this.
  - Intermernet 7y ago
    > "the same assclowns who sue Christian bakeries for refusing to adorn wedding cakes with 2 male or 2 female figures when they exercise their 1A rights to discriminate based in faith preferences." How is this different from refusing service to neo-Nazis? It seems like you're arguing that the first amendment should apply if I refuse to sell a cake to a gay couple, but not if I refuse to sell DNS service to neo-Nazis. Can you clarify?
    - martin1975 7y ago
      You only get sued if you're defending your faith. That's the difference.
      - tristor 7y ago
        Your argument is not philosophically consistent, and it's clear you are seeing persecution rather than philosophy. Under Conservative philosophy, it is clear that CloudFlare has a right to deny service to a customer it doesn't want. It's chosen to not provide services to violent neo-Nazis. Get over it.

tristor 7y ago

To be clear, the parent comment is written by someone who is upset that CloudFlare terminated service to violent neo-Nazis. The fact their language is nationalistic is unsurprising.

martin1975 7y ago
Violent? I'm not aware of any lawsuits due to violence by the neo Nazi founder and I despise neo Nazi speech as anyone else. You completely missed the point or maybe you just don't give a s++t about 1A rights. The other issue is they claimed to be hands off to customers, obviously within the bounds of the law. The sad truth is this - distasteful as DS/Anglin is, he was not running afoul of the law. Matthew Prince unilaterally decided to reverse 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence for one of its customers because he disagreed with their views. These Matthew Prince types are the same assclowns who sue Christian bakeries for refusing to adorn wedding cakes with 2 male or 2 female figures when they exercise their 1A rights to discriminate based in faith preferences. The height of hypocrisy displayed by Cloudflare was galaxy sized, despite it being legal. That's what I and many others blasted them about. I can't put it any more clearly than this.
- Intermernet 7y ago
  > "the same assclowns who sue Christian bakeries for refusing to adorn wedding cakes with 2 male or 2 female figures when they exercise their 1A rights to discriminate based in faith preferences." How is this different from refusing service to neo-Nazis? It seems like you're arguing that the first amendment should apply if I refuse to sell a cake to a gay couple, but not if I refuse to sell DNS service to neo-Nazis. Can you clarify?
  - martin1975 7y ago
    You only get sued if you're defending your faith. That's the difference.
    - tristor 7y ago
      Your argument is not philosophically consistent, and it's clear you are seeing persecution rather than philosophy. Under Conservative philosophy, it is clear that CloudFlare has a right to deny service to a customer it doesn't want. It's chosen to not provide services to violent neo-Nazis. Get over it.