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I think what we're seeing is similar to what we were seeing during the push for legalization of marijuana- a crowdsourced P.R. campaign that highlighted the pos

I think what we're seeing is similar to what we were seeing during the push for legalization of marijuana- a crowdsourced P.R. campaign that highlighted the positives and neglected the negatives in an effort to try and counterbalance the negative inertia that decades of "reefer madness" hysteria had wrought.

_jal 7y ago
I think this is mostly right, along with the sort of messy communications you get with anything else. The conventional wisdom - that LSD is only for Bad People Who Want To Hurt Themselves, or some variation - is being replaced. This doesn't happen by everyone sitting quietly to lectures and then calmly attempting to set each others' expectations to cautiously optimistic, after several more rounds of trials. No, people get interested, some more enthusiastically than others. Some will do stupid things, others will spread lots of nonsense. I'm sure some people will be hurt/end up dead through no fault of their own. And eventually we find a new normal. This is just how humans do things. Compare with robocars. Did we wait until level-whatever full autonomy was hit and fully tested? No, we are letting a few people die while getting the bugs worked out.
saiya-jin 7y ago
LSD/mushrooms are way more powerful, you can't compare those. What's next, mescalin or ayahuasca? I've done shrooms couple of times, it was profoundly mind-and-life-changing experience and in many ways the most intense and beautiful event in my life. But I wouldn't recommend it to maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of people I know, simply because I wouldn't be sure it wouldn't mess them up badly, like really badly. At least not under professional supervision and adequate gradual dosing. You make everybody smoke weed few times, not much bad can happen. You make everybody trippin', and consequences are unpredictable. Show some respect for the stuff, it very well deserves it.
- CodiePetersen 7y ago
  Shrooms are not way more powerful. To put shrooms on lsd level is kind of ridiculous. They're all different from each other of course but most are very mild compared to LSD. The very common ones are just serotonin reuptake inhibitors. I've seen some people say they see shimmers of light or visuals but I've taken the same ones and all I get is super happy and motivated. It's great but it's not on lsd level. I'd say it's same level of weed. I know everyone acts different to everything but I've had trippier experiences with weed where my memory was so short I thought I was just appearing in places and forgot what my arms felt like. So I think the concerns of shrooms are greatly over exaggerated.
  - saiya-jin 7y ago
    Then you didn't have proper dosage. I did, few times. Full out-of-body experience, complete dissolution of ego and personality, my physical self, losing all the senses. For few hours. Of course I wasn't running around partying, but laying in the bed alone listening to some soft shamanic music. It wasn't a big dose, according to web it was +- 1 full dosage, nothing over. I mixed dried shrooms with fresh lemon juice, horrible taste but made trip much more intensive, and shorter (which was actually good because I got massive headache afterwards, feeling like keeping my brain in red revs for hours). And then gradually coming back, composing my mind atom by atom, retrieving my senses, limbs and so on. Very profound experience. You need to know how to do psychedelics. Even literal overdose on weed from very strong milk brew where all of us ended up vomiting and tripping super high was nothing compared to this.
- TomTomXC 7y ago
  AFAIK ayahuasca is legal in the US for religious purposes, isn't it? Similarly in Utah Mescaline is legal for consumption with "sincere religious intent".
  - CuriouslyC 7y ago
    If you're a member of Santo Daime or União do Vegetal.

_jal 7y ago

I think this is mostly right, along with the sort of messy communications you get with anything else. The conventional wisdom - that LSD is only for Bad People Who Want To Hurt Themselves, or some variation - is being replaced. This doesn't happen by everyone sitting quietly to lectures and then calmly attempting to set each others' expectations to cautiously optimistic, after several more rounds of trials. No, people get interested, some more enthusiastically than others. Some will do stupid things, others will spread lots of nonsense. I'm sure some people will be hurt/end up dead through no fault of their own. And eventually we find a new normal. This is just how humans do things. Compare with robocars. Did we wait until level-whatever full autonomy was hit and fully tested? No, we are letting a few people die while getting the bugs worked out.

saiya-jin 7y ago

LSD/mushrooms are way more powerful, you can't compare those. What's next, mescalin or ayahuasca? I've done shrooms couple of times, it was profoundly mind-and-life-changing experience and in many ways the most intense and beautiful event in my life. But I wouldn't recommend it to maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of people I know, simply because I wouldn't be sure it wouldn't mess them up badly, like really badly. At least not under professional supervision and adequate gradual dosing. You make everybody smoke weed few times, not much bad can happen. You make everybody trippin', and consequences are unpredictable. Show some respect for the stuff, it very well deserves it.

CodiePetersen 7y ago
Shrooms are not way more powerful. To put shrooms on lsd level is kind of ridiculous. They're all different from each other of course but most are very mild compared to LSD. The very common ones are just serotonin reuptake inhibitors. I've seen some people say they see shimmers of light or visuals but I've taken the same ones and all I get is super happy and motivated. It's great but it's not on lsd level. I'd say it's same level of weed. I know everyone acts different to everything but I've had trippier experiences with weed where my memory was so short I thought I was just appearing in places and forgot what my arms felt like. So I think the concerns of shrooms are greatly over exaggerated.
- saiya-jin 7y ago
  Then you didn't have proper dosage. I did, few times. Full out-of-body experience, complete dissolution of ego and personality, my physical self, losing all the senses. For few hours. Of course I wasn't running around partying, but laying in the bed alone listening to some soft shamanic music. It wasn't a big dose, according to web it was +- 1 full dosage, nothing over. I mixed dried shrooms with fresh lemon juice, horrible taste but made trip much more intensive, and shorter (which was actually good because I got massive headache afterwards, feeling like keeping my brain in red revs for hours). And then gradually coming back, composing my mind atom by atom, retrieving my senses, limbs and so on. Very profound experience. You need to know how to do psychedelics. Even literal overdose on weed from very strong milk brew where all of us ended up vomiting and tripping super high was nothing compared to this.
TomTomXC 7y ago
AFAIK ayahuasca is legal in the US for religious purposes, isn't it? Similarly in Utah Mescaline is legal for consumption with "sincere religious intent".
- CuriouslyC 7y ago
  If you're a member of Santo Daime or União do Vegetal.