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Thanks for the reply. I'm not try to disparage clojure, BTW. I've chosen it to use for my start up, and am only pressing this point because I want to get the mo

by knubie 7y ago

Thanks for the reply. I'm not try to disparage clojure, BTW. I've chosen it to use for my start up, and am only pressing this point because I want to get the most out of it I can and I'm afraid I might be missing something with the REPL workflow. I think I agree with everything you've written here based on my experience.

iLemming 7y ago
> I'm not try to disparage clojure, BTW Even if you were, who am I to judge you? I myself had a chance to learn Clojure back in 2013, and then a few months later, and then once again next year, but I kept saying: "no, thanks". My thoughts were: - JVM, yikes. JVM means Java, everyone hates Java, am I smarter than everyone else? I hate it too; - Dynamic typing is so stupid. I've had enough with Javascript, Python and Ruby, I'm not doing that shit again; - Parentheses. Lots of them. Too many of them. I can't see anything else. I'm drowning in the sea of parentheses. If only I knew that: - JVM is actually really robust and extremely good piece of tech; Try managing Nodejs clusters or deal with dependency conflicts in Python's pip. Honestly, JVM is so much nicer. - That dynamic typing in certain context can be your friend and not the enemy. And REPL driven is much better than "save&recompile" workflow. Besides, there's Spec and it's absolutely dope; - Parentheses bring structure, simplicity and consistency, and there are not too many of them. Javascript for example has more, and also semicolons and other shit. Clojure like any Lisp, sadly doesn't do a well job of "introducing itself" to complete newbies. It doesn't look sexy when you're trying it out for the first time. It requires a bit of patience and the leap of faith. And those who are ready to pay that small price, soon may discover an amazing world of possibilities.

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Thanks for the reply. I'm not try to disparage clojure, BTW. I've chosen it to use for my start up, and am only pressing this point because I want to get the mo

by knubie 7y ago

iLemming 7y ago
> I'm not try to disparage clojure, BTW Even if you were, who am I to judge you? I myself had a chance to learn Clojure back in 2013, and then a few months later, and then once again next year, but I kept saying: "no, thanks". My thoughts were: - JVM, yikes. JVM means Java, everyone hates Java, am I smarter than everyone else? I hate it too; - Dynamic typing is so stupid. I've had enough with Javascript, Python and Ruby, I'm not doing that shit again; - Parentheses. Lots of them. Too many of them. I can't see anything else. I'm drowning in the sea of parentheses. If only I knew that: - JVM is actually really robust and extremely good piece of tech; Try managing Nodejs clusters or deal with dependency conflicts in Python's pip. Honestly, JVM is so much nicer. - That dynamic typing in certain context can be your friend and not the enemy. And REPL driven is much better than "save&recompile" workflow. Besides, there's Spec and it's absolutely dope; - Parentheses bring structure, simplicity and consistency, and there are not too many of them. Javascript for example has more, and also semicolons and other shit. Clojure like any Lisp, sadly doesn't do a well job of "introducing itself" to complete newbies. It doesn't look sexy when you're trying it out for the first time. It requires a bit of patience and the leap of faith. And those who are ready to pay that small price, soon may discover an amazing world of possibilities.