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> Well, it's also a problem of device manufacturers dropping support for devices too quickly. There are still android 4.1 devices sold on amazon, and you reall

by cnst 7y ago

> Well, it's also a problem of device manufacturers dropping support for devices too quickly. There are still android 4.1 devices sold on amazon, and you really can't expect web developers to support that. Are you kidding me? If you're looking for shiny stuff to add to your resume, yeah, you can't possibly support those! If you're an HTML5 game developer, yeah, gotta use the latest and greatest. But if you're in the business of selling shoes, why do you need anything newer than Android 4.1 in order to process the transactions?!

SahAssar 7y ago
The latest version of Android 4.1 was released in 2012. The latest version of chrome for that seems to be around 23. A lot of android 4.1 shipped without TLS 1.1 by default. So you are stuck with SSLv3 or TLSv1. Those are just examples, there's a lot in security that has changed since 2012. A lot of basic security was missing back then, asking anyone to enter any security-sensitive info on those devices now is like telling someone to use WinXP and IE8 for online banking. Besides that the great variety of devices that shipped on versions v4.1-v4.4 and with their different hacks/customizations it is simply not feasible to ask developers to support them years after many of them cannot be had to even test a website on, let alone debug it.
- mark_and_sweep 7y ago
  A couple of things.. - The tablet is ~5 years old. Even if it was 8 years old, I think you should still be able to order a pizza online. - TLSv1 is far from plaintext. But in any case, the TLS version doesn't matter in this case. The site was loading properly. - Even if the TLS version was outdated, are we now banning people from using the internet for using an older device? - Submitting the form didn't work, the navigation was partially broken. It was probably a JS issue, but I don't know. - The moral of the story, to me, is that, as a web developer, you should also care about those $few% that don't have all the green boxes on caniuse.com. Depending on how many users your site has, this may just be a few people or it might be millions - among them, possibly, your Mom.

by cnst 7y ago

SahAssar 7y ago

The latest version of Android 4.1 was released in 2012. The latest version of chrome for that seems to be around 23. A lot of android 4.1 shipped without TLS 1.1 by default. So you are stuck with SSLv3 or TLSv1. Those are just examples, there's a lot in security that has changed since 2012. A lot of basic security was missing back then, asking anyone to enter any security-sensitive info on those devices now is like telling someone to use WinXP and IE8 for online banking. Besides that the great variety of devices that shipped on versions v4.1-v4.4 and with their different hacks/customizations it is simply not feasible to ask developers to support them years after many of them cannot be had to even test a website on, let alone debug it.

mark_and_sweep 7y ago
A couple of things.. - The tablet is ~5 years old. Even if it was 8 years old, I think you should still be able to order a pizza online. - TLSv1 is far from plaintext. But in any case, the TLS version doesn't matter in this case. The site was loading properly. - Even if the TLS version was outdated, are we now banning people from using the internet for using an older device? - Submitting the form didn't work, the navigation was partially broken. It was probably a JS issue, but I don't know. - The moral of the story, to me, is that, as a web developer, you should also care about those $few% that don't have all the green boxes on caniuse.com. Depending on how many users your site has, this may just be a few people or it might be millions - among them, possibly, your Mom.