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I'd probably try LSD recreationally if I could buy it from credible sources. But I can't understand people who buy synthetic drugs from street dealers and take

by haolez 7y ago

I'd probably try LSD recreationally if I could buy it from credible sources. But I can't understand people who buy synthetic drugs from street dealers and take them. How the hell do you know what you are actually ingesting?

monocasa 7y ago
There's only so much that fits on blotter paper. There are chemical tests you can do at home to explore that state space.
- pmoriarty 7y ago
  "There's only so much that fits on blotter paper." Unfortunately, some of those are the potentially lethal NBOMes. Yes, you could test, but tests from ecstasydata.org cost $100, and only tests that one sample you send. It also takes a couple of weeks to get results. That kind of outlay of time and money is only going to be acceptable to a small minority of users, and the unfortunate fact is that most users will not test. The real solution is to get LSD legalized and then safety and purity could be assured. Another alternative is to try some other psychedelics, like: - Salvia Divinorum, which is legal in many places - MDMA, which is likely to be rescheduled next year and then can be used legally under the supervision of a therapist (which can already be done under limited circumstances) - Psilocybin, which will probably be rescheduled within the next 5 years, and can then also be used legally under the supervision of a therapist - Ketamine, which can be legally prescribed for depression right now (search around for Ketamine clinics) - Peyote or Ayahuasca, if you're part of certain religious groups - Psilocybin mushrooms, which you could pick (be careful!!!) or grow. - Psychedelic cacti, which you could grow. But, unfortunately they take a really long time to grow, and over-harvesting of peyote (for example) is a very serious sustainability problem. - Cannabis, which can have psychedelic effects at high doses. Being part of a legitimate medical research study can also get you access to pure LSD, and a limited amount of such research is now ongoing and planned.
  - aqme28 7y ago
    You can (and should) test with home test kits for a lot less than $100.
    - pmoriarty 7y ago
      The reagent tests that are in those DIY kits aren't as reliable as the Gas Chromatography / Mass Spectrometry tests that ecstacydata runs. It's easy to misread a reagent test[1], and they won't tell you all the substances that are in a sample, just the particular sample(s) they test for. GC/MS is much more definitive, in that it'll tell you every known substance that's in your sample (though, unfortunately, ecstasydata is forbidden by the DEA from telling you the amount of each substance they find[2] -- another stupid and harmful result of the War on Drugs). Still, reagent testing (when done carefully, knowledgeably, and properly) is definitely a whole lot better than no testing at all. [1] - For example, was that color you saw black or dark brown or dark violet? Did you wait long enough for the color to change? Did you look at the reagent color under the same lighting as the light you looked at the reference under, and was that lighting adequate enough to differentiate between all the different colors properly? It matters! [2] - https://www.ecstasydata.org/about_data.php#quant https://www.ecstasydata.org/about_data.php#quant
  - LocalH 7y ago
    I wouldn’t be suggesting salvia or ketamine to someone seeking LSD or a similarly flavored experience. From what I understand, both of those are extremely dissociative and not at all like an LSD trip.
- mc32 7y ago
  When I was in HS I didn’t know of anyone who tested. And this was even though students knowing someone who got fried. So it sounds good in theory, but doesn’t happen in practice.
  - monocasa 7y ago
    I mean, just because y'all didn't doesn't mean others don't or you shouldn't.
empath75 7y ago
If it's real, you will have zero doubt. If it's not real, the dose size is so small (micrograms), that you aren't likely to experience anything at all. But yeah, you don't buy it from a street corner dealer, you get it from a friend, who tells you they tried it and it's real. If you don't have friends that do this kind of thing that you trust, I wouldn't bother.
- BitwiseFool 7y ago
  Yep, there's no such thing as a placebo when it comes to LSD.
  - alexpatin 7y ago
    There are "NBOMe" compounds though, such as 25I-NBOMe, which may easily be sold as LSD or "acid" to the unsuspecting. LSD should be colorless, odorless, and tasteless, whereas NBOMes are known for their metallic and bitter taste. "If it's bitter, its a spitter"
    - empath75 7y ago
      Interesting — didn’t exist when I was still doing that kind of thing. Good to know.
  - PragmaticPulp 7y ago
    > Yep, there's no such thing as a placebo when it comes to LSD. That's not the point. NBOMe compounds also fit on blotter paper with similar potency to LSD, yet have significantly more dangerous side effect profiles. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25I-NBOMe#Toxicity_and_harm_potential https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25I-NBOMe#Toxicity_and_harm_...
    - cameronh90 7y ago
      It is said that NBOMe isn't orally active, whereas LSD is. NBOMe needs to be held sublingually, so if you're worried about it the best thing to do is to swallow and not let it sit in your mouth. Also if it's bitter don't take it.
jjtheblunt 7y ago
Searching for tainted fentanyl supports that question: https://news.google.com/search?q=tainted%20fentanyl https://news.google.com/search?q=tainted%20fentanyl
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benevol 7y ago
If you use the proper websites for your purchases, via TOR, you'll find that there actually exist rating systems that can already tell you a lot regarding the trust you can have in a specific vendor (if you spend a couple of minutes thinking about how the given rating system works and if you take the numbers into account - hint: you need big numbers). The second step will be an LSD test you can buy online on conventional websites. Never buy on the street - those people have absolutely not reputation to lose.
foolfoolz 7y ago
it’s the same risk online too. no one knows what they’re taking. it’s all blind faith

by haolez 7y ago

monocasa 7y ago

There's only so much that fits on blotter paper. There are chemical tests you can do at home to explore that state space.

pmoriarty 7y ago
"There's only so much that fits on blotter paper." Unfortunately, some of those are the potentially lethal NBOMes. Yes, you could test, but tests from ecstasydata.org cost $100, and only tests that one sample you send. It also takes a couple of weeks to get results. That kind of outlay of time and money is only going to be acceptable to a small minority of users, and the unfortunate fact is that most users will not test. The real solution is to get LSD legalized and then safety and purity could be assured. Another alternative is to try some other psychedelics, like: - Salvia Divinorum, which is legal in many places - MDMA, which is likely to be rescheduled next year and then can be used legally under the supervision of a therapist (which can already be done under limited circumstances) - Psilocybin, which will probably be rescheduled within the next 5 years, and can then also be used legally under the supervision of a therapist - Ketamine, which can be legally prescribed for depression right now (search around for Ketamine clinics) - Peyote or Ayahuasca, if you're part of certain religious groups - Psilocybin mushrooms, which you could pick (be careful!!!) or grow. - Psychedelic cacti, which you could grow. But, unfortunately they take a really long time to grow, and over-harvesting of peyote (for example) is a very serious sustainability problem. - Cannabis, which can have psychedelic effects at high doses. Being part of a legitimate medical research study can also get you access to pure LSD, and a limited amount of such research is now ongoing and planned.
- aqme28 7y ago
  You can (and should) test with home test kits for a lot less than $100.
  - pmoriarty 7y ago
    The reagent tests that are in those DIY kits aren't as reliable as the Gas Chromatography / Mass Spectrometry tests that ecstacydata runs. It's easy to misread a reagent test[1], and they won't tell you all the substances that are in a sample, just the particular sample(s) they test for. GC/MS is much more definitive, in that it'll tell you every known substance that's in your sample (though, unfortunately, ecstasydata is forbidden by the DEA from telling you the amount of each substance they find[2] -- another stupid and harmful result of the War on Drugs). Still, reagent testing (when done carefully, knowledgeably, and properly) is definitely a whole lot better than no testing at all. [1] - For example, was that color you saw black or dark brown or dark violet? Did you wait long enough for the color to change? Did you look at the reagent color under the same lighting as the light you looked at the reference under, and was that lighting adequate enough to differentiate between all the different colors properly? It matters! [2] - https://www.ecstasydata.org/about_data.php#quant https://www.ecstasydata.org/about_data.php#quant
- LocalH 7y ago
  I wouldn’t be suggesting salvia or ketamine to someone seeking LSD or a similarly flavored experience. From what I understand, both of those are extremely dissociative and not at all like an LSD trip.
mc32 7y ago
When I was in HS I didn’t know of anyone who tested. And this was even though students knowing someone who got fried. So it sounds good in theory, but doesn’t happen in practice.
- monocasa 7y ago
  I mean, just because y'all didn't doesn't mean others don't or you shouldn't.

empath75 7y ago

If it's real, you will have zero doubt. If it's not real, the dose size is so small (micrograms), that you aren't likely to experience anything at all. But yeah, you don't buy it from a street corner dealer, you get it from a friend, who tells you they tried it and it's real. If you don't have friends that do this kind of thing that you trust, I wouldn't bother.

BitwiseFool 7y ago
Yep, there's no such thing as a placebo when it comes to LSD.
- alexpatin 7y ago
  There are "NBOMe" compounds though, such as 25I-NBOMe, which may easily be sold as LSD or "acid" to the unsuspecting. LSD should be colorless, odorless, and tasteless, whereas NBOMes are known for their metallic and bitter taste. "If it's bitter, its a spitter"
  - empath75 7y ago
    Interesting — didn’t exist when I was still doing that kind of thing. Good to know.
- PragmaticPulp 7y ago
  > Yep, there's no such thing as a placebo when it comes to LSD. That's not the point. NBOMe compounds also fit on blotter paper with similar potency to LSD, yet have significantly more dangerous side effect profiles. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25I-NBOMe#Toxicity_and_harm_potential https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/25I-NBOMe#Toxicity_and_harm_...
  - cameronh90 7y ago
    It is said that NBOMe isn't orally active, whereas LSD is. NBOMe needs to be held sublingually, so if you're worried about it the best thing to do is to swallow and not let it sit in your mouth. Also if it's bitter don't take it.

jjtheblunt 7y ago

Searching for tainted fentanyl supports that question: https://news.google.com/search?q=tainted%20fentanyl https://news.google.com/search?q=tainted%20fentanyl

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benevol 7y ago

If you use the proper websites for your purchases, via TOR, you'll find that there actually exist rating systems that can already tell you a lot regarding the trust you can have in a specific vendor (if you spend a couple of minutes thinking about how the given rating system works and if you take the numbers into account - hint: you need big numbers). The second step will be an LSD test you can buy online on conventional websites. Never buy on the street - those people have absolutely not reputation to lose.

foolfoolz 7y ago

it’s the same risk online too. no one knows what they’re taking. it’s all blind faith