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Is there ever a time when an outbreak would seem less suspicious? I'm also not sure the vape "panic" was a moral one. Was there not a clear link to certain vapi

Is there ever a time when an outbreak would seem less suspicious? I'm also not sure the vape "panic" was a moral one. Was there not a clear link to certain vaping products and death?

ehsankia 7y ago
Yeah I'm not sure what's "moral" about people vape users randomly falling ill. Maybe doctors quickly blaming weed could've come off as a moral judgement, but I think it was backed up with enough anecdotal evidence to make that correlation. Also, I don't think a dozen people falling ill over a year is comparable to the thousands impacted by this and hundreds dead within 2-3 months. It's definitely on a completely different scale here.
- dr_dshiv 7y ago
  Oh, it's because everyone's kids were vaping and no one could control it. But now parents can say that vaping will kill you with a straight face. Literally, this is how and why it all went down.
wbg34 7y ago
There was a clear link to vaping bootleg THC carts and death. The moral panic involved blaming all vaping products despite that link. This panic led to bans on some vaping products in Michigan, New York, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Montana, Washington and Oregon.
- bradenb 7y ago
  IIRC, that link was not firmly established early on (though I had seen it hypothesized).
  - dr_dshiv 7y ago
    The CDC told everyone to "consider" stopping vaping immediately, despite the lack of evidence it was linked to commercial ecigs. It sure seemed like a beautiful play by big tobacco (which manufactures packs of cigarettes for 6 cents a piece -- and would rather kill vaping than try to compete in tech). Note that CDC was swept out by Trump, to avoid fingering handguns as a public health threat. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6841e3.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6841e3.htm
  - wbg34 7y ago
    NY State announced a link on Sept. 5th. The earliest ban was in late September. (https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vaping.htm https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vap...).

Is there ever a time when an outbreak would seem less suspicious? I'm also not sure the vape "panic" was a moral one. Was there not a clear link to certain vaping products and death?

ehsankia 7y ago

Yeah I'm not sure what's "moral" about people vape users randomly falling ill. Maybe doctors quickly blaming weed could've come off as a moral judgement, but I think it was backed up with enough anecdotal evidence to make that correlation. Also, I don't think a dozen people falling ill over a year is comparable to the thousands impacted by this and hundreds dead within 2-3 months. It's definitely on a completely different scale here.

dr_dshiv 7y ago
Oh, it's because everyone's kids were vaping and no one could control it. But now parents can say that vaping will kill you with a straight face. Literally, this is how and why it all went down.

wbg34 7y ago

There was a clear link to vaping bootleg THC carts and death. The moral panic involved blaming all vaping products despite that link. This panic led to bans on some vaping products in Michigan, New York, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Montana, Washington and Oregon.

bradenb 7y ago
IIRC, that link was not firmly established early on (though I had seen it hypothesized).
- dr_dshiv 7y ago
  The CDC told everyone to "consider" stopping vaping immediately, despite the lack of evidence it was linked to commercial ecigs. It sure seemed like a beautiful play by big tobacco (which manufactures packs of cigarettes for 6 cents a piece -- and would rather kill vaping than try to compete in tech). Note that CDC was swept out by Trump, to avoid fingering handguns as a public health threat. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6841e3.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6841e3.htm
- wbg34 7y ago
  NY State announced a link on Sept. 5th. The earliest ban was in late September. (https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vaping.htm https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vap...).