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I think GP's use of "less" meant "subtract", not that it would decrease the administrative costs of welfare programs. I don't think you can realistically (or e

I think GP's use of "less" meant "subtract", not that it would decrease the administrative costs of welfare programs. I don't think you can realistically (or ethically) get rid of welfare programs when introducing UBI. This is the issue I had with Andrew Yang's "Freedom Dividend" proposal, too. Some people are bad at managing money or have emergencies $12k won't cover. As a society, we cannot allow them to starve in the street because of this.

gremlinsinc 7y ago
I think, UBI is great, but I think you really need a guaranteed baseline -- for people on hard times. Which is to say it should be whatever the base poverty line is. I think about $32,000. But at that rate it should definitely replace all other programs save medical. I also think VAT plus land ownership tax should be where the bulk should come from. Possibly also a rent-holder's tax for foreign national-owned properties that might be 10%/year of value. It should be household based too. Like perhaps 2,000 for first adult, 1k per adult in house, 500 per child. To be really ideal it needs to give people the freedom to 'choose' work as something to get 'more' reward. This would put supply of jobs above demand, and drive up wages too. Some would choose to focus on side projects, or art, science, studies, college, etc... Some might just play games all day, but who knows maybe they become e-sports athletes and earn thousands doing that. I think also though, single payer should come before UBI, not after. I think that should be first since people are dying because of that. I'd like to see states start trying to implement that on their own, maybe it works out great and other states copy them.