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>MS continues to do wrong, forced telemetry and upgrades, ads in the OS These things might be unpreferable to you, but none of them are "wrong".

SQueeeeeL 7y ago
Something is only wrong from a business perspective if you lose customers (either from trust or legal means (probably in the EU))
sn4pp 7y ago
"forced telemetry" is very wrong. Let's see how long it takes until that is illegal in your country.
- mortivore 7y ago
  There are some people that think if something isn't illegal, then it isn't wrong. It's really weird.
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    Most people never get past Kohlberg Stage 4.
    - dhimes 7y ago
      I had never heard of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_o... From the wiki page, there are three levels that include 6 stages (two each): Level 1 (Pre-Conventional) 1. Obedience and punishment orientation (How can I avoid punishment?) 2. Self-interest orientation (What's in it for me?) (Paying for a benefit) Level 2 (Conventional) 3. Interpersonal accord and conformity (Social norms) (The good boy/girl attitude) 4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation (Law and order morality) Level 3 (Post-Conventional) 5. Social contract orientation 6. Universal ethical principles (Principled conscience)
  - Macha 7y ago
    It's substantially more common a viewpoint on here, at least anecdotally compared to my real life experience.
zeveb 7y ago
Microsoft continue to produce proprietary software, i.e. software which infringes on its users' freedoms to use, examine, modify & share software; that is wrong.
- HeyLaughingBoy 7y ago
  Are you suggesting that those users have no choice but to use that software?
  - ryukafalz 7y ago
    Most users have no idea they have a choice, so... effectively, yes.

SQueeeeeL 7y ago

Something is only wrong from a business perspective if you lose customers (either from trust or legal means (probably in the EU))

sn4pp 7y ago

"forced telemetry" is very wrong. Let's see how long it takes until that is illegal in your country.

mortivore 7y ago
There are some people that think if something isn't illegal, then it isn't wrong. It's really weird.
- homonculus1 7y ago
  Most people never get past Kohlberg Stage 4.
  - dhimes 7y ago
    I had never heard of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_o... From the wiki page, there are three levels that include 6 stages (two each): Level 1 (Pre-Conventional) 1. Obedience and punishment orientation (How can I avoid punishment?) 2. Self-interest orientation (What's in it for me?) (Paying for a benefit) Level 2 (Conventional) 3. Interpersonal accord and conformity (Social norms) (The good boy/girl attitude) 4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation (Law and order morality) Level 3 (Post-Conventional) 5. Social contract orientation 6. Universal ethical principles (Principled conscience)
- Macha 7y ago
  It's substantially more common a viewpoint on here, at least anecdotally compared to my real life experience.

zeveb 7y ago

Microsoft continue to produce proprietary software, i.e. software which infringes on its users' freedoms to use, examine, modify & share software; that is wrong.

HeyLaughingBoy 7y ago
Are you suggesting that those users have no choice but to use that software?
- ryukafalz 7y ago
  Most users have no idea they have a choice, so... effectively, yes.