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With the 150+ Italian cases (3 dead), it's probably safe to say that the virus is out of our control... which we probably never had. https://apnews.com/32540d0

With the 150+ Italian cases (3 dead), it's probably safe to say that the virus is out of our control... which we probably never had. https://apnews.com/32540d09ec101aac057660ef1b0aa970 https://apnews.com/32540d09ec101aac057660ef1b0aa970

guidedlight 7y ago
Try 215 cases and 4 deaths
- melonkidney 7y ago
  A fifth death has just been confirmed, sadly. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-death/fifth-person-dies-in-coronavirus-outbreak-in-northern-italy-official-idUSKCN20I171 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-death/...
  - elohir 7y ago
    and now its six https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavirus-live-updates-china-wuhan-hubei-latest-news-italy-lombardy-south-korea-iran-japan-cases-infections-death-toll-outbreak-xi-jinping-update?page=with:block-5e53d2058f08e133247491ec#block-5e53d2058f08e133247491ec https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavir...
    - elohir 7y ago
      and now its seven https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavirus-live-updates-china-wuhan-hubei-latest-news-italy-lombardy-south-korea-iran-japan-cases-infections-death-toll-outbreak-xi-jinping-update?page=with:block-5e53de298f0811db2fafd795#block-5e53de298f0811db2fafd795 https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavir...
swarnie_ 7y ago
Its disappointing, China seemed a lot more open and transparent this time around compared to SARS. Unfortunately i still don't trust the numbers they publish.
- cat199 7y ago
  not in the field, but transparency/non-transparency of china has very little to do with being able to effectively contain something with a 14 day incubation period that is spread through indirect contact.
- mcv 7y ago
  They're also richer and travel more than they did during SARS. Travelers do a lot to help spread the virus.
hurricanetc 7y ago
We could have stopped it completely with total travel bans but the WHO advised against it because it could be damaging to the world economy. Why is the WHO concerned about the economy? Well I have no idea. And is this virus going pandemic going to be more or less economically painful than the travel bans might have been? My guess would be we will feel significantly more pain from a pandemic.
- surge 7y ago
  I think its pretty obvious the WHO just repeats whatever the CCP wants them to say. I trust the CDC, and the CDC is preparing for something very serious, not something akin to the flu.
  - WA 7y ago
    You know what's serious? If the entire population is scared shitless and runs to the next hospital and overwhelms the system. This is a lot scarier than the actual infections. I know nothing about the CDC, but of course any health care organization prepares for "something very serious" that comes on top of the existing flu cases, because hospitals are already at close to maximum capacity.
- WA 7y ago
  > "Why is the WHO concerned about the economy?" Don't you see that this is always a tradeoff? If the economy tanks, people lose their jobs, which could result in a lot more social unrest than if a virus spreads around the world. I think it's tough to contain a virus like that with such a long incubation time. But the early efforts might have slowed the virus down somewhat at first, giving us more time to develop vaccines.
  - raducu 7y ago
    There's no tradeoff if you never actually trade, is there? There's not actually any wise balance and other mumbo-jumbo fart-heads in the WTO like to spew out, if under no circumstance do you ban travelling or take any meaningful action. It's just words for the idiots to feel secure while all it really matters is economic growth. I'd love to be proven otherwise, but then, under what circumstances would WTO advice a full ban on travel to/from China? Perhaps never? There you have it. Just words after the fact, rationalizing inaction to two year olds -- "there's nothing to worry about", "the chinese are taking outstanding measures", "maybe there's something to worry about, but mah economy", "perhaps its too late to contain this"
Balgair 7y ago
Xtra History has a good intro series on the 1918 pandemic. They liken it to trying to fight off an alien invasion. These things become that serious so quickly. Best advice: Wash you hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo

guidedlight 7y ago

Try 215 cases and 4 deaths

melonkidney 7y ago
A fifth death has just been confirmed, sadly. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-death/fifth-person-dies-in-coronavirus-outbreak-in-northern-italy-official-idUSKCN20I171 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-death/...
- elohir 7y ago
  and now its six https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavirus-live-updates-china-wuhan-hubei-latest-news-italy-lombardy-south-korea-iran-japan-cases-infections-death-toll-outbreak-xi-jinping-update?page=with:block-5e53d2058f08e133247491ec#block-5e53d2058f08e133247491ec https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavir...
  - elohir 7y ago
    and now its seven https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavirus-live-updates-china-wuhan-hubei-latest-news-italy-lombardy-south-korea-iran-japan-cases-infections-death-toll-outbreak-xi-jinping-update?page=with:block-5e53de298f0811db2fafd795#block-5e53de298f0811db2fafd795 https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/24/coronavir...

swarnie_ 7y ago

Its disappointing, China seemed a lot more open and transparent this time around compared to SARS. Unfortunately i still don't trust the numbers they publish.

cat199 7y ago
not in the field, but transparency/non-transparency of china has very little to do with being able to effectively contain something with a 14 day incubation period that is spread through indirect contact.
mcv 7y ago
They're also richer and travel more than they did during SARS. Travelers do a lot to help spread the virus.

hurricanetc 7y ago

We could have stopped it completely with total travel bans but the WHO advised against it because it could be damaging to the world economy. Why is the WHO concerned about the economy? Well I have no idea. And is this virus going pandemic going to be more or less economically painful than the travel bans might have been? My guess would be we will feel significantly more pain from a pandemic.

surge 7y ago
I think its pretty obvious the WHO just repeats whatever the CCP wants them to say. I trust the CDC, and the CDC is preparing for something very serious, not something akin to the flu.
- WA 7y ago
  You know what's serious? If the entire population is scared shitless and runs to the next hospital and overwhelms the system. This is a lot scarier than the actual infections. I know nothing about the CDC, but of course any health care organization prepares for "something very serious" that comes on top of the existing flu cases, because hospitals are already at close to maximum capacity.
WA 7y ago
> "Why is the WHO concerned about the economy?" Don't you see that this is always a tradeoff? If the economy tanks, people lose their jobs, which could result in a lot more social unrest than if a virus spreads around the world. I think it's tough to contain a virus like that with such a long incubation time. But the early efforts might have slowed the virus down somewhat at first, giving us more time to develop vaccines.
- raducu 7y ago
  There's no tradeoff if you never actually trade, is there? There's not actually any wise balance and other mumbo-jumbo fart-heads in the WTO like to spew out, if under no circumstance do you ban travelling or take any meaningful action. It's just words for the idiots to feel secure while all it really matters is economic growth. I'd love to be proven otherwise, but then, under what circumstances would WTO advice a full ban on travel to/from China? Perhaps never? There you have it. Just words after the fact, rationalizing inaction to two year olds -- "there's nothing to worry about", "the chinese are taking outstanding measures", "maybe there's something to worry about, but mah economy", "perhaps its too late to contain this"

Balgair 7y ago

Xtra History has a good intro series on the 1918 pandemic. They liken it to trying to fight off an alien invasion. These things become that serious so quickly. Best advice: Wash you hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo