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Under this proposed bill how are they going to prevent illegals from claiming this benefit? I didn't see it mentioned in the article.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
IDK. One side says “it doesn’t because you need to pay for them and that’s that” and the other side says “a wall”. So... imma sit this one out.
daenz 7y ago
Why do you think should they prevent illegals from benefiting?
- sergiotapia 7y ago
  Why do you think illegals should benefit from a foreign government? If I suddenly moved to Estonia, should I be entitled to benefits from that government? I don't think I should.
  - daenz 7y ago
    >Why do you think illegals should benefit from a foreign government? I don't think that, I am undecided.
  - lidHanteyk 7y ago
    Why do you think that people who are not citizens of their resident state are automatically "illegal"? The European Union has made great strides with their experiments in allowing laborers to freely flow across borders, and we now know that it is a boon to economies when labor is allowed to migrate freely. I mean, guessing that you're living in the USA, you right now are benefiting massively from a system of migrant labor [0] involving the flow of people across the USA-Mexico borders. (And also the USA-Canada border, although somehow I imagine that that bothers you less.) It seems short-sighted to consider laborers as unfit for the job market just because they have a different country of origin, and it is almost common sense that one should pay taxes where one makes their income and pays their rent and groceries; it is at least economic sense and part of how most countries design their tax systems. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_worker#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_worker#United_States
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Under this proposed bill how are they going to prevent illegals from claiming this benefit? Presumably the proof of residency and other eligibility requirements will take care of that, too the extent they are excluded (though, its worth noting, that undocumented immigrants as such are not excluded, though over 1/4 of California's residents, mainly the poor, are, and that will cover much of the undocumented population.) E.g., Poor undocumented immigrants are eligible for (limited-scope) Medi-Cal, but as Medi-Cal beneficiaries would then be ineligible for this benefit.
lidHanteyk 7y ago
This question's underlying motivation is disgusting; you should be ashamed of posting such a dog-whistle. Anyway, just tie it to tax-return information, as California is doing; if one doesn't pay taxes, then one can't claim the benefit. Nobody cares about "illegal" status, just about whether folks are working and paying taxes.
- sergiotapia 7y ago
  >Nobody cares about "illegal" status I care and a lot of other americans do care.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago

IDK. One side says “it doesn’t because you need to pay for them and that’s that” and the other side says “a wall”. So... imma sit this one out.

daenz 7y ago

Why do you think should they prevent illegals from benefiting?

sergiotapia 7y ago
Why do you think illegals should benefit from a foreign government? If I suddenly moved to Estonia, should I be entitled to benefits from that government? I don't think I should.
- daenz 7y ago
  >Why do you think illegals should benefit from a foreign government? I don't think that, I am undecided.
- lidHanteyk 7y ago
  Why do you think that people who are not citizens of their resident state are automatically "illegal"? The European Union has made great strides with their experiments in allowing laborers to freely flow across borders, and we now know that it is a boon to economies when labor is allowed to migrate freely. I mean, guessing that you're living in the USA, you right now are benefiting massively from a system of migrant labor [0] involving the flow of people across the USA-Mexico borders. (And also the USA-Canada border, although somehow I imagine that that bothers you less.) It seems short-sighted to consider laborers as unfit for the job market just because they have a different country of origin, and it is almost common sense that one should pay taxes where one makes their income and pays their rent and groceries; it is at least economic sense and part of how most countries design their tax systems. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_worker#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_worker#United_States

dragonwriter 7y ago

> Under this proposed bill how are they going to prevent illegals from claiming this benefit? Presumably the proof of residency and other eligibility requirements will take care of that, too the extent they are excluded (though, its worth noting, that undocumented immigrants as such are not excluded, though over 1/4 of California's residents, mainly the poor, are, and that will cover much of the undocumented population.) E.g., Poor undocumented immigrants are eligible for (limited-scope) Medi-Cal, but as Medi-Cal beneficiaries would then be ineligible for this benefit.

lidHanteyk 7y ago

This question's underlying motivation is disgusting; you should be ashamed of posting such a dog-whistle. Anyway, just tie it to tax-return information, as California is doing; if one doesn't pay taxes, then one can't claim the benefit. Nobody cares about "illegal" status, just about whether folks are working and paying taxes.

sergiotapia 7y ago
>Nobody cares about "illegal" status I care and a lot of other americans do care.