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Regarding the NHS: what do you base that global legendary status on? I don't have any data, myself, but I would say its status probably applies to the anglosphe

by etripe 7y ago

Regarding the NHS: what do you base that global legendary status on? I don't have any data, myself, but I would say its status probably applies to the anglosphere (as legendary) and probably only as middling (as compared to other European countries')

wizzwizz4 7y ago
The NHS was one of the first, and legends are usually set in the past.
heavenlyblue 7y ago
Have you never spoken to someone British about NHS? It’s basically a religion in this country.
- namdnay 7y ago
  Yeah it's really weird, anyone who has used the health system in France, Switzerland, Belgium or many others would never praise the NHS. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent healthcare system that runs on very little money, but it's no way near the best
  - randomsearch 7y ago
    Probably in value for money it's the best. It's also an institution that has yet to be destroyed by capitalism, in that many people working in the NHS do so because it's a vocation and make large personal sacrifices to make it work.
    - rzmnzm 7y ago
      that sounds terrible
      - randomsearch 7y ago
        It’s a noble thing to follow a vocation without being driven entirely by self interest. In contrast, once market forces were unleashed in academia, good will built over decades was lost and a lot of great people quit. Very hard to get that good will and sense of vocation back. Not everything in life has been to be run by markets driven by self interest. Some things do better without them.
  - arethuza 7y ago
    My neighbours, who are from Germany, have praised the simplicity of the financial side of the NHS compared to the German system. I was quite surprised by this!
  - KptMarchewa 7y ago
    Very little money? It uses 9,7% of UK's GDP. It's only a very little money if compared to US system. In comparison, Polish healthcare expenditure is 6,5%. It's obviously worse than NHS, but it's miraculous that it works that well - with only 3 years expected lifespan below UK and 1 below US. Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_expenditure_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
  - iso1631 7y ago
    "Runs on very little money" is the key. The UK have comparable outcomes to other western european countries, with far less spending. Health Spending per person UK: $4070 Belgium: $4944 France: $4965 Switzerland: $7317 That decreased budget of course dates back decades. Increase NHS budget by 25%, and in 40 years compare France and UK systems.
pjc50 7y ago
That's the thing about the Anglosphere: no other countries exist. The healthcare debate is only ever between the UK option and the US option. We all know that moving the UK system towards the US would be a disaster, and yet that's the only option on the menu. How on earth could the UK media report on the French healthcare system? It's in French! /s

by etripe 7y ago

wizzwizz4 7y ago

The NHS was one of the first, and legends are usually set in the past.

heavenlyblue 7y ago

Have you never spoken to someone British about NHS? It’s basically a religion in this country.

namdnay 7y ago
Yeah it's really weird, anyone who has used the health system in France, Switzerland, Belgium or many others would never praise the NHS. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent healthcare system that runs on very little money, but it's no way near the best
- randomsearch 7y ago
  Probably in value for money it's the best. It's also an institution that has yet to be destroyed by capitalism, in that many people working in the NHS do so because it's a vocation and make large personal sacrifices to make it work.
  - rzmnzm 7y ago
    that sounds terrible
    - randomsearch 7y ago
      It’s a noble thing to follow a vocation without being driven entirely by self interest. In contrast, once market forces were unleashed in academia, good will built over decades was lost and a lot of great people quit. Very hard to get that good will and sense of vocation back. Not everything in life has been to be run by markets driven by self interest. Some things do better without them.
- arethuza 7y ago
  My neighbours, who are from Germany, have praised the simplicity of the financial side of the NHS compared to the German system. I was quite surprised by this!
- KptMarchewa 7y ago
  Very little money? It uses 9,7% of UK's GDP. It's only a very little money if compared to US system. In comparison, Polish healthcare expenditure is 6,5%. It's obviously worse than NHS, but it's miraculous that it works that well - with only 3 years expected lifespan below UK and 1 below US. Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_expenditure_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
- iso1631 7y ago
  "Runs on very little money" is the key. The UK have comparable outcomes to other western european countries, with far less spending. Health Spending per person UK: $4070 Belgium: $4944 France: $4965 Switzerland: $7317 That decreased budget of course dates back decades. Increase NHS budget by 25%, and in 40 years compare France and UK systems.

pjc50 7y ago

That's the thing about the Anglosphere: no other countries exist. The healthcare debate is only ever between the UK option and the US option. We all know that moving the UK system towards the US would be a disaster, and yet that's the only option on the menu. How on earth could the UK media report on the French healthcare system? It's in French! /s