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It is about as contagious as the flu. Stop fear-mongering. Also, not for nothing: most people don’t get the flu vaccine, despite endless begging on the part of

by irq11 7y ago

It is about as contagious as the flu. Stop fear-mongering. Also, not for nothing: most people don’t get the flu vaccine, despite endless begging on the part of health officials.

senordevnyc 7y ago
It’s much, much deadlier and more likely to put you in the hospital than the flu, though. The trite comparisons to the flu are honestly irresponsible at this point. There’s a reason public health officials all over the world are taking this very seriously.
- irq11 7y ago
  It is not. You are making up “facts” and need to stop. This virus disproportionately kills old and sick people. Aside from the fact that over 80% of cases are mild, the death rate in patients under 60 is well under 1%: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51540981 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia... Even these are based mostly on statistics from Wuhan, where a “confirmed infection” has to be severe to begin with; these rates are going to be overestimates of the real rates.
  - senordevnyc 7y ago
    Nothing you’ve said remotely contradicts what I said. Feel free to provide actual evidence that my facts are incorrect. Why shouldn’t we care about a virus that mainly kills old and sick people? Especially when that alone can overwhelm our medical infrastructure. Additionally, even a 0.5% mortality rate for young and otherwise healthy people is much higher than the flu, and serious cause for concern. I’ll take a 0.5% chance of dying over 2% any day, but I still will take a lot of actions if I can to avoid a 1/100 chance that my daughter has to grow up without one of her parents. As long as we’re talking about facts and misinformation, let’s talk about your assertion that mortality rates are going to be lower than Wuhan. They may be, but it’s way too early to say. We don’t yet have reliable data on how many mild cases are missed in the official figures, how the remaining unrecovered patients will fare, or how many deaths have been caused by the virus but are not attributed to it in official figures. Look, I get that you’re scared and lashing out at people who are saying you have reason to be, but you’re not going to make any difference here. This is a serious global issue, which is why every country with significant infections is going to incredible lengths to try and contain it. I’d suggest you stop trying to police people on the internet who aren’t meeting your personal standards for reacting to this and instead do some prep to keep you and your loved ones safe and secure.
    - irq11 7y ago
      I provided a link to “actual evidence” in the post. Read it instead of posting rumor and opinion as fact. Nobody said you “shouldn’t worry” about a virus that kills old people. But if you’re not old or sick, you should worry about it less than other things. Like getting the flu. ”I get that you’re scared and lashing out” What manner of gaslighting is this? I am absolutely not scared, and I am trying to spread accurate information, in order to counter fear-mongering posts like your own.
      - senordevnyc 7y ago
        See, there you go again. You’re suggesting that someone young and healthy should be more concerned about the flu, which is absolutely ridiculous and not supported by any data. The only “evidence” you posted is that the elderly and sick are most at risk, which no one was disputing, and which does not support your position that the flu is more dangerous to young and healthy people than this virus.
        irq11 7y ago
        The flu is everywhere, right now. Today. This covid virus has infected a tiny sliver of the human population, in a select few locations, and it isn’t that dangerous if you aren’t old or sick. Practically speaking, you should be more concerned about getting hit by a car than catching this virus. You should really stop posting on this subject. You have lost all sense of perspective.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        This one has a 3-4% death rate and debilitating, lifelong consequences for those that 'recover'. Its a big deal. If denial makes one feel better, go for it. Post it here though, and expect to be rapidly disabused.
        irq11 7y ago
        It does not have a 3-4% fatality rate. You are either getting bad information, or you are making things up. The latest numbers from the WHO and the CCDC are an average case fatality rate of 2.3%. This is highly likely to be an overestimate, and the deaths are skewed heavily to the old and infirm. From the most recent CCDC report [1] those under 40, case fatality was 0.2%. Under 50, 0.4%; under 60, 1.3%. For those with no pre-existing illnesses, case fatality was 0.9%, across all age groups. [1]http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9...
lliamander 7y ago
Your accusations of fear-mongering are ill-founded and un-productive. I'm of course completely factually correct that there is no vaccine for COVID-19 (although there is a SARS vaccine that may help). Which, even if it is only as deadly as the flu, is still a huge issue. I have immune-compromised family members, so I get the flu vaccine. I have no such luxury in this case. The fact that the symptoms are mild for most people only makes it more of a danger, because people are less likely to self-quarantine if they only have cold-like symptoms. All the confirmed cases in the U.S. are currently under quarantine. However, the CDC does fully expect that the disease will spread free here in the states. Northern Italian states have closed all public schools, universities, and public events.
- irq11 7y ago
  The virus is not “far more contagious” than the flu. It’s about as contagious as the flu, and maybe slightly more deadly, primarily to older/sick people. You’re panicking, you don’t understand what you’re reading, and (assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear) you should stop posting on this subject.
  - lliamander 7y ago
    > assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear You are paranoid. Stop pointing fingers, stop making accusations, and back up your points.
texorcist 7y ago
Stop being dishonest. Comparing the flu to the Corona virus is comparing apples to oranges. They don't even share transmission rates.

by irq11 7y ago

It is about as contagious as the flu. Stop fear-mongering. Also, not for nothing: most people don’t get the flu vaccine, despite endless begging on the part of health officials.

senordevnyc 7y ago

It’s much, much deadlier and more likely to put you in the hospital than the flu, though. The trite comparisons to the flu are honestly irresponsible at this point. There’s a reason public health officials all over the world are taking this very seriously.

irq11 7y ago
It is not. You are making up “facts” and need to stop. This virus disproportionately kills old and sick people. Aside from the fact that over 80% of cases are mild, the death rate in patients under 60 is well under 1%: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51540981 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia... Even these are based mostly on statistics from Wuhan, where a “confirmed infection” has to be severe to begin with; these rates are going to be overestimates of the real rates.
- senordevnyc 7y ago
  Nothing you’ve said remotely contradicts what I said. Feel free to provide actual evidence that my facts are incorrect. Why shouldn’t we care about a virus that mainly kills old and sick people? Especially when that alone can overwhelm our medical infrastructure. Additionally, even a 0.5% mortality rate for young and otherwise healthy people is much higher than the flu, and serious cause for concern. I’ll take a 0.5% chance of dying over 2% any day, but I still will take a lot of actions if I can to avoid a 1/100 chance that my daughter has to grow up without one of her parents. As long as we’re talking about facts and misinformation, let’s talk about your assertion that mortality rates are going to be lower than Wuhan. They may be, but it’s way too early to say. We don’t yet have reliable data on how many mild cases are missed in the official figures, how the remaining unrecovered patients will fare, or how many deaths have been caused by the virus but are not attributed to it in official figures. Look, I get that you’re scared and lashing out at people who are saying you have reason to be, but you’re not going to make any difference here. This is a serious global issue, which is why every country with significant infections is going to incredible lengths to try and contain it. I’d suggest you stop trying to police people on the internet who aren’t meeting your personal standards for reacting to this and instead do some prep to keep you and your loved ones safe and secure.
  - irq11 7y ago
    I provided a link to “actual evidence” in the post. Read it instead of posting rumor and opinion as fact. Nobody said you “shouldn’t worry” about a virus that kills old people. But if you’re not old or sick, you should worry about it less than other things. Like getting the flu. ”I get that you’re scared and lashing out” What manner of gaslighting is this? I am absolutely not scared, and I am trying to spread accurate information, in order to counter fear-mongering posts like your own.
    - senordevnyc 7y ago
      See, there you go again. You’re suggesting that someone young and healthy should be more concerned about the flu, which is absolutely ridiculous and not supported by any data. The only “evidence” you posted is that the elderly and sick are most at risk, which no one was disputing, and which does not support your position that the flu is more dangerous to young and healthy people than this virus.
      - irq11 7y ago
        The flu is everywhere, right now. Today. This covid virus has infected a tiny sliver of the human population, in a select few locations, and it isn’t that dangerous if you aren’t old or sick. Practically speaking, you should be more concerned about getting hit by a car than catching this virus. You should really stop posting on this subject. You have lost all sense of perspective.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        This one has a 3-4% death rate and debilitating, lifelong consequences for those that 'recover'. Its a big deal. If denial makes one feel better, go for it. Post it here though, and expect to be rapidly disabused.
        irq11 7y ago
        It does not have a 3-4% fatality rate. You are either getting bad information, or you are making things up. The latest numbers from the WHO and the CCDC are an average case fatality rate of 2.3%. This is highly likely to be an overestimate, and the deaths are skewed heavily to the old and infirm. From the most recent CCDC report [1] those under 40, case fatality was 0.2%. Under 50, 0.4%; under 60, 1.3%. For those with no pre-existing illnesses, case fatality was 0.9%, across all age groups. [1]http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9...

lliamander 7y ago

Your accusations of fear-mongering are ill-founded and un-productive. I'm of course completely factually correct that there is no vaccine for COVID-19 (although there is a SARS vaccine that may help). Which, even if it is only as deadly as the flu, is still a huge issue. I have immune-compromised family members, so I get the flu vaccine. I have no such luxury in this case. The fact that the symptoms are mild for most people only makes it more of a danger, because people are less likely to self-quarantine if they only have cold-like symptoms. All the confirmed cases in the U.S. are currently under quarantine. However, the CDC does fully expect that the disease will spread free here in the states. Northern Italian states have closed all public schools, universities, and public events.

irq11 7y ago
The virus is not “far more contagious” than the flu. It’s about as contagious as the flu, and maybe slightly more deadly, primarily to older/sick people. You’re panicking, you don’t understand what you’re reading, and (assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear) you should stop posting on this subject.
- lliamander 7y ago
  > assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear You are paranoid. Stop pointing fingers, stop making accusations, and back up your points.

texorcist 7y ago

Stop being dishonest. Comparing the flu to the Corona virus is comparing apples to oranges. They don't even share transmission rates.