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Thanks for the tip! Since I hadn't lived thru anything that threatened my society, I never believed in stocking up on non-perishables. However, the fact that

Thanks for the tip! Since I hadn't lived thru anything that threatened my society, I never believed in stocking up on non-perishables. However, the fact that I'm living thru a potential pandemic convinces me that we as a race aren't nearly as resilient as our modern amenities and high QoL suggest.

irq11 7y ago
News you can use: you’re living through multiple pandemics, all the time. There’s a flu pandemic (several, actually), that are far more immediately threatening to you than this virus. Society has not yet fallen.
- lliamander 7y ago
  Yes, but we have vaccines for the flu, and as far as I can tell this is far more contagious. Even with a lower mortality rate, the death toll could be much higher. If things do start getting bad, I expect it might happen rather suddenly.
  - irq11 7y ago
    It is about as contagious as the flu. Stop fear-mongering. Also, not for nothing: most people don’t get the flu vaccine, despite endless begging on the part of health officials.
    - senordevnyc 7y ago
      It’s much, much deadlier and more likely to put you in the hospital than the flu, though. The trite comparisons to the flu are honestly irresponsible at this point. There’s a reason public health officials all over the world are taking this very seriously.
      - irq11 7y ago
        It is not. You are making up “facts” and need to stop. This virus disproportionately kills old and sick people. Aside from the fact that over 80% of cases are mild, the death rate in patients under 60 is well under 1%: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51540981 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia... Even these are based mostly on statistics from Wuhan, where a “confirmed infection” has to be severe to begin with; these rates are going to be overestimates of the real rates.
        senordevnyc 7y ago
        Nothing you’ve said remotely contradicts what I said. Feel free to provide actual evidence that my facts are incorrect. Why shouldn’t we care about a virus that mainly kills old and sick people? Especially when that alone can overwhelm our medical infrastructure. Additionally, even a 0.5% mortality rate for young and otherwise healthy people is much higher than the flu, and serious cause for concern. I’ll take a 0.5% chance of dying over 2% any day, but I still will take a lot of actions if I can to avoid a 1/100 chance that my daughter has to grow up without one of her parents. As long as we’re talking about facts and misinformation, let’s talk about your assertion that mortality rates are going to be lower than Wuhan. They may be, but it’s way too early to say. We don’t yet have reliable data on how many mild cases are missed in the official figures, how the remaining unrecovered patients will fare, or how many deaths have been caused by the virus but are not attributed to it in official figures. Look, I get that you’re scared and lashing out at people who are saying you have reason to be, but you’re not going to make any difference here. This is a serious global issue, which is why every country with significant infections is going to incredible lengths to try and contain it. I’d suggest you stop trying to police people on the internet who aren’t meeting your personal standards for reacting to this and instead do some prep to keep you and your loved ones safe and secure.
        irq11 7y ago
        I provided a link to “actual evidence” in the post. Read it instead of posting rumor and opinion as fact. Nobody said you “shouldn’t worry” about a virus that kills old people. But if you’re not old or sick, you should worry about it less than other things. Like getting the flu. ”I get that you’re scared and lashing out” What manner of gaslighting is this? I am absolutely not scared, and I am trying to spread accurate information, in order to counter fear-mongering posts like your own.
    - lliamander 7y ago
      Your accusations of fear-mongering are ill-founded and un-productive. I'm of course completely factually correct that there is no vaccine for COVID-19 (although there is a SARS vaccine that may help). Which, even if it is only as deadly as the flu, is still a huge issue. I have immune-compromised family members, so I get the flu vaccine. I have no such luxury in this case. The fact that the symptoms are mild for most people only makes it more of a danger, because people are less likely to self-quarantine if they only have cold-like symptoms. All the confirmed cases in the U.S. are currently under quarantine. However, the CDC does fully expect that the disease will spread free here in the states. Northern Italian states have closed all public schools, universities, and public events.
      - irq11 7y ago
        The virus is not “far more contagious” than the flu. It’s about as contagious as the flu, and maybe slightly more deadly, primarily to older/sick people. You’re panicking, you don’t understand what you’re reading, and (assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear) you should stop posting on this subject.
        lliamander 7y ago
        > assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear You are paranoid. Stop pointing fingers, stop making accusations, and back up your points.
    - texorcist 7y ago
      Stop being dishonest. Comparing the flu to the Corona virus is comparing apples to oranges. They don't even share transmission rates.
- jopsen 7y ago
  Does this have a very different fatality rate that the flu does? Also many at-risk patients are vaccinated against the flu. Besides, even if you are likely to survive and all, it's still wise to plan for everybody else to panic ;)
  - irq11 7y ago
    The fatality rate is on par with the flu, except in older patients (over 60) where it is currently higher. Ironic that you should bring up flu vaccination...despite the risk of death from flu being the average person’s greater concern (by far), we still have to beg people to get vaccinated, and the rates are low. I’d wager that most of the folks fear-mongering about covid-19 on this thread haven’t had a flu shot this year.
    - senordevnyc 7y ago
      This is absolutely false. You’re comparing the coronavirus fatality rate for young and healthy people to the overall flu fatality rate. Try comparing the fatality rate of 20-40 year olds only between each virus and then get back to us on how they’re comparable. Also, I’m kind of horrified at how indifferent you are across many comments to the prospect of tens of millions of elderly and sick people dying. Just because you’re young and healthy, no one should be very concerned about this?
      - irq11 7y ago
        According to the most recent paper from CCDC, under age 40, the current estimate of fatality rate is 0.4%. Between 50-59, 1.3%. For those with no pre-existing medical conditions, 0.9%: http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9... Death rates for flu vary widely by age, race and location, but these numbers are not out of the ordinary for influenza. I’m not “indifferent”, I’m calmly assessing relative risks. You, on the other hand, are simply spreading FUD. Go breathe into a bag.
        7y ago

irq11 7y ago

News you can use: you’re living through multiple pandemics, all the time. There’s a flu pandemic (several, actually), that are far more immediately threatening to you than this virus. Society has not yet fallen.

lliamander 7y ago
Yes, but we have vaccines for the flu, and as far as I can tell this is far more contagious. Even with a lower mortality rate, the death toll could be much higher. If things do start getting bad, I expect it might happen rather suddenly.
- irq11 7y ago
  It is about as contagious as the flu. Stop fear-mongering. Also, not for nothing: most people don’t get the flu vaccine, despite endless begging on the part of health officials.
  - senordevnyc 7y ago
    It’s much, much deadlier and more likely to put you in the hospital than the flu, though. The trite comparisons to the flu are honestly irresponsible at this point. There’s a reason public health officials all over the world are taking this very seriously.
    - irq11 7y ago
      It is not. You are making up “facts” and need to stop. This virus disproportionately kills old and sick people. Aside from the fact that over 80% of cases are mild, the death rate in patients under 60 is well under 1%: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51540981 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia... Even these are based mostly on statistics from Wuhan, where a “confirmed infection” has to be severe to begin with; these rates are going to be overestimates of the real rates.
      - senordevnyc 7y ago
        Nothing you’ve said remotely contradicts what I said. Feel free to provide actual evidence that my facts are incorrect. Why shouldn’t we care about a virus that mainly kills old and sick people? Especially when that alone can overwhelm our medical infrastructure. Additionally, even a 0.5% mortality rate for young and otherwise healthy people is much higher than the flu, and serious cause for concern. I’ll take a 0.5% chance of dying over 2% any day, but I still will take a lot of actions if I can to avoid a 1/100 chance that my daughter has to grow up without one of her parents. As long as we’re talking about facts and misinformation, let’s talk about your assertion that mortality rates are going to be lower than Wuhan. They may be, but it’s way too early to say. We don’t yet have reliable data on how many mild cases are missed in the official figures, how the remaining unrecovered patients will fare, or how many deaths have been caused by the virus but are not attributed to it in official figures. Look, I get that you’re scared and lashing out at people who are saying you have reason to be, but you’re not going to make any difference here. This is a serious global issue, which is why every country with significant infections is going to incredible lengths to try and contain it. I’d suggest you stop trying to police people on the internet who aren’t meeting your personal standards for reacting to this and instead do some prep to keep you and your loved ones safe and secure.
        irq11 7y ago
        I provided a link to “actual evidence” in the post. Read it instead of posting rumor and opinion as fact. Nobody said you “shouldn’t worry” about a virus that kills old people. But if you’re not old or sick, you should worry about it less than other things. Like getting the flu. ”I get that you’re scared and lashing out” What manner of gaslighting is this? I am absolutely not scared, and I am trying to spread accurate information, in order to counter fear-mongering posts like your own.
  - lliamander 7y ago
    Your accusations of fear-mongering are ill-founded and un-productive. I'm of course completely factually correct that there is no vaccine for COVID-19 (although there is a SARS vaccine that may help). Which, even if it is only as deadly as the flu, is still a huge issue. I have immune-compromised family members, so I get the flu vaccine. I have no such luxury in this case. The fact that the symptoms are mild for most people only makes it more of a danger, because people are less likely to self-quarantine if they only have cold-like symptoms. All the confirmed cases in the U.S. are currently under quarantine. However, the CDC does fully expect that the disease will spread free here in the states. Northern Italian states have closed all public schools, universities, and public events.
    - irq11 7y ago
      The virus is not “far more contagious” than the flu. It’s about as contagious as the flu, and maybe slightly more deadly, primarily to older/sick people. You’re panicking, you don’t understand what you’re reading, and (assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear) you should stop posting on this subject.
      - lliamander 7y ago
        > assuming that you aren’t just trying to spread fear You are paranoid. Stop pointing fingers, stop making accusations, and back up your points.
  - texorcist 7y ago
    Stop being dishonest. Comparing the flu to the Corona virus is comparing apples to oranges. They don't even share transmission rates.
jopsen 7y ago
Does this have a very different fatality rate that the flu does? Also many at-risk patients are vaccinated against the flu. Besides, even if you are likely to survive and all, it's still wise to plan for everybody else to panic ;)
- irq11 7y ago
  The fatality rate is on par with the flu, except in older patients (over 60) where it is currently higher. Ironic that you should bring up flu vaccination...despite the risk of death from flu being the average person’s greater concern (by far), we still have to beg people to get vaccinated, and the rates are low. I’d wager that most of the folks fear-mongering about covid-19 on this thread haven’t had a flu shot this year.
  - senordevnyc 7y ago
    This is absolutely false. You’re comparing the coronavirus fatality rate for young and healthy people to the overall flu fatality rate. Try comparing the fatality rate of 20-40 year olds only between each virus and then get back to us on how they’re comparable. Also, I’m kind of horrified at how indifferent you are across many comments to the prospect of tens of millions of elderly and sick people dying. Just because you’re young and healthy, no one should be very concerned about this?
    - irq11 7y ago
      According to the most recent paper from CCDC, under age 40, the current estimate of fatality rate is 0.4%. Between 50-59, 1.3%. For those with no pre-existing medical conditions, 0.9%: http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9... Death rates for flu vary widely by age, race and location, but these numbers are not out of the ordinary for influenza. I’m not “indifferent”, I’m calmly assessing relative risks. You, on the other hand, are simply spreading FUD. Go breathe into a bag.
      - 7y ago