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Sorry but what happens when i grant access to a company? It will collect the data i granted access to and then resell them to other companies and buy data from

by andretti1977 7y ago

Sorry but what happens when i grant access to a company? It will collect the data i granted access to and then resell them to other companies and buy data from other firms too so my data will be spread around exactly as now so even if i like the idea, what's the advantage? Am i missing something?

theK 7y ago
Well for one your data lives in a place where you can govern it. Nowadays your data lives in all places you use (Facebook, Gmail, Twitter). Ever tried taking stock of your data lately? It can take weeks to do it for all services and importing the exports into a self hosted alternative is nigh impossible. Still one risk I am seeing is that services might still want to intern you once you have given than access to your data. EG: a Foto app needs access to your photos which you grant but also introduces social commenting features which don’t trickle back into your pod. So you as a consumer are still incentivized to use the proprietary service. Web Giants 1 Solid 0 EDIT: I am still supporting the idea of getting SOLID out to the masses though!
- luckylion 7y ago
  > Well for one your data lives in a place where you can govern it. Only until you've shared it though, right? Whoever you allow to access it can copy it (and some will be required to do so by law), and you no longer have any control over what they do with it. I may misunderstand it, but isn't it basically OAuth/"Sign on with X and control what they see" for all your data, not for authentication? It's convenient, but I don't know that it gives you (long term) control. I'd still like that for synchronization, but I don't see the big value.
- mkl 7y ago
  As soon as you grant access to some data in your pod to someone, they can make a copy and then it's out of your control. I don't see how you can govern it unless you just never grant access.
  - erikpukinskis 7y ago
    You still control the original and they control the copy. If it’s hosted on their service you don’t control anything.
    - mkl 7y ago
      The copy is identical, so I think functionally there's no difference between those. Your data is out of your control either way.
      - erikpukinskis 7y ago
        So you’re saying “they have the only copy of my data” and “we both have a copy of my data” are equivalent in your mind?
        mkl 7y ago
        The problematic bit is "they have a copy of my data", which is in common between the two.
        theK 7y ago
        I think people misunderstand the base idea here. The way I see it is that in a SaaS (non solid) world you don’t actually have your data. Access to you own data can be revoked by third parties you don’t have any leverage over. In a solid world no one can separate you from your data. And, ideally, cloud outfits asking for your data won’t be asking to resell your data.
  - anderspitman 7y ago
    It might make it easier to regulate. If you revoke access and can prove you own the pod the data originated from, it provides a way for a sort of "individual DMCA".

theK 7y ago

Well for one your data lives in a place where you can govern it. Nowadays your data lives in all places you use (Facebook, Gmail, Twitter). Ever tried taking stock of your data lately? It can take weeks to do it for all services and importing the exports into a self hosted alternative is nigh impossible. Still one risk I am seeing is that services might still want to intern you once you have given than access to your data. EG: a Foto app needs access to your photos which you grant but also introduces social commenting features which don’t trickle back into your pod. So you as a consumer are still incentivized to use the proprietary service. Web Giants 1 Solid 0 EDIT: I am still supporting the idea of getting SOLID out to the masses though!

luckylion 7y ago
> Well for one your data lives in a place where you can govern it. Only until you've shared it though, right? Whoever you allow to access it can copy it (and some will be required to do so by law), and you no longer have any control over what they do with it. I may misunderstand it, but isn't it basically OAuth/"Sign on with X and control what they see" for all your data, not for authentication? It's convenient, but I don't know that it gives you (long term) control. I'd still like that for synchronization, but I don't see the big value.
mkl 7y ago
As soon as you grant access to some data in your pod to someone, they can make a copy and then it's out of your control. I don't see how you can govern it unless you just never grant access.
- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  You still control the original and they control the copy. If it’s hosted on their service you don’t control anything.
  - mkl 7y ago
    The copy is identical, so I think functionally there's no difference between those. Your data is out of your control either way.
    - erikpukinskis 7y ago
      So you’re saying “they have the only copy of my data” and “we both have a copy of my data” are equivalent in your mind?
      - mkl 7y ago
        The problematic bit is "they have a copy of my data", which is in common between the two.
        theK 7y ago
        I think people misunderstand the base idea here. The way I see it is that in a SaaS (non solid) world you don’t actually have your data. Access to you own data can be revoked by third parties you don’t have any leverage over. In a solid world no one can separate you from your data. And, ideally, cloud outfits asking for your data won’t be asking to resell your data.
- anderspitman 7y ago
  It might make it easier to regulate. If you revoke access and can prove you own the pod the data originated from, it provides a way for a sort of "individual DMCA".