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The fact that you have to actively and deliberately fork over cash for Windows, but not for Android, where it's hidden -- that really seems to trip people up.

enitihas 7y ago
And it's not hidden in windows, where you have candy crush pre-installed and ads in the start menu. So in windows, you fork over cash, give your data, and then have to seem some ads.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Candy crush is not pre-installed, it is just a link to the store, easily removable with right mouse click. Gee, I never saw people complain this way with Solitaire, Mineswepper, GNOME Games Suit, or the dump of floppies they would get on their Atari/Amiga/PC bundles.
  - shakna 7y ago
    > Gee, I never saw people complain this way with Solitaire, Mineswepper, GNOME Games Suit, or the dump of floppies they would get on their Atari/Amiga/PC bundles. Strange. Especially as those didn't actively run analytics when you run them. Perhaps those two situations aren't completely comparable.
    - jevgeni 7y ago
      This is very little to do with privacy matters if you look at the comments here.
  - ptx 7y ago
    The difference is that in one case the developer is adding something purely because they think it might benefit the user, and in the other case the developer is being paid by a third party to do something to the user that they wouldn't otherwise have done.
    - jevgeni 7y ago
      How is that different from any OEM bundling then? And also, how would a link to the store track and analyse you?
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        Windows stuff is not stored in ROM.
      - ptx 7y ago
        I guess it isn't really any different from OEM bundling, other than that you now have two links in the supply chain (both Microsoft and the OEM) being paid by third parties for adulterating the product. (I didn't say anything about tracking, but there's plenty of that in Windows already. There are settings, enabled by default, to let Microsoft track every application you launch and every website you visit.)
pjc50 7y ago
Not really - the vast majority of Windows installs are just as OEM as Android.
- jevgeni 7y ago
  Which makes the hypocrisy even more blatant.

enitihas 7y ago

And it's not hidden in windows, where you have candy crush pre-installed and ads in the start menu. So in windows, you fork over cash, give your data, and then have to seem some ads.

pjmlp 7y ago
Candy crush is not pre-installed, it is just a link to the store, easily removable with right mouse click. Gee, I never saw people complain this way with Solitaire, Mineswepper, GNOME Games Suit, or the dump of floppies they would get on their Atari/Amiga/PC bundles.
- shakna 7y ago
  > Gee, I never saw people complain this way with Solitaire, Mineswepper, GNOME Games Suit, or the dump of floppies they would get on their Atari/Amiga/PC bundles. Strange. Especially as those didn't actively run analytics when you run them. Perhaps those two situations aren't completely comparable.
  - jevgeni 7y ago
    This is very little to do with privacy matters if you look at the comments here.
- ptx 7y ago
  The difference is that in one case the developer is adding something purely because they think it might benefit the user, and in the other case the developer is being paid by a third party to do something to the user that they wouldn't otherwise have done.
  - jevgeni 7y ago
    How is that different from any OEM bundling then? And also, how would a link to the store track and analyse you?
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      Windows stuff is not stored in ROM.
    - ptx 7y ago
      I guess it isn't really any different from OEM bundling, other than that you now have two links in the supply chain (both Microsoft and the OEM) being paid by third parties for adulterating the product. (I didn't say anything about tracking, but there's plenty of that in Windows already. There are settings, enabled by default, to let Microsoft track every application you launch and every website you visit.)

pjc50 7y ago

Not really - the vast majority of Windows installs are just as OEM as Android.

jevgeni 7y ago
Which makes the hypocrisy even more blatant.