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I use Linux, I am pretty ambivalent about Windows, I don't like adware and telemetry in my paid-for software but if they really start doing that honestly that w

I use Linux, I am pretty ambivalent about Windows, I don't like adware and telemetry in my paid-for software but if they really start doing that honestly that will irritate me enough to start pushing people to Ubuntu when that's possible.

jevgeni 7y ago
Well, if the software is paid in full, there are no ads.
- Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
  What version of Windows do people need to buy for it to (right after the installation, with no additional tweaking) have the telemetry keylogger turned off and no ads in start menu and no adware or links to other Microsoft's products there? I've been looking for such a version for a long time.
  - vezycash 7y ago
    The version with least telemetry is Enterprise Version. It's not sold to individuals. Only way is torrent. Although some once wrote here that he got his off eBay.
  - jevgeni 7y ago
    In no version do you have a "keylogger".
    - Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
      Ok sure they call it "telemetry". It still sends the keys I press to some remote server for "analysis". What difference does the name make?
      - jevgeni 7y ago
        It sends the keys you type in Cortana search, AFAIK. Thinking it logs all your keys is another kind of tinfoil hat crazy.
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- alxlaz 7y ago
  This is not true. I have Win 10 Pro on my work laptop. It's very much "paid in full". Some of the things I paid in full for include Bubble Witch 3 Saga, Candy Crush Saga and Candy Crush Friends, and the Start menu came pre-populated with a bunch of ads for similarly useful apps (edit: among other things). Edit: if someone who's more Windows-savvy than this ol' Unix nerd knows what information I ought to edit out of a screenshot so that I can safely share it, I have the screenshot, too. This "if you pay for Win 10 Pro there are no ads" crap pops up every single damn time so I took a screenshot of my laptop's untouched Win 10 Pro installation.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Apparently when a GNU/Linux installation shows messages to try out stuff, it is "spreading the good for the community", or has a modified motd, when one gets a couple of links on the start menu, easily removed by right clicking on them, it is "bloody Microsoft".
    - alxlaz 7y ago
      I'm not sure how that's relevant here. Does my post say anything about what Ubuntu does being excusable in any way? Edit: also, FWIW, running apt-get upgrade doesn't re-enable the ads in the MOTD :-)
      - jevgeni 7y ago
        The whataboutism defense is absolutely failing at this point. If there was material criticism on HN of say Ubuntu or other providers for the same stuff Microsoft gets criticized your words might've been credible. But there isn't and they are not. Pretending to be fair and objective is not the same thing as being fair and objective.
        alxlaz 7y ago
        Whataboutism is a logical fallacy even when the "what about" thing doesn't get enough attention. If Ubuntu got more criticism on HN, would the ads you see on Windows become less intrusive, or more appropriate? But FWIW, Ubuntu absolutely got, and still gets, plenty of criticism for that, even here on HN.
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forinti 7y ago
Microsoft has been giving people reasons to switch to Linux for quite a while. They started with the major overhaul of the Office UI. Then they came out with Windows 10. Ubuntu and Libre Office are just so much easier to work with.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Yeah, I have seen that remark when XP came out, then it was Vista, followed up by how Windows 7 would drive everyone into Linux, then was how Windows 8 would do it, .... Somehow there is a pattern here, meanwhile Steam Hardware survey still shows GNU/Linux desktops at 1% on average.
  - forinti 7y ago
    Yes, and most people can't do the most basic administrative tasks on Windows. Still, they stick to Windows. It is irrational.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      Irrational is expecting such users to be comfortable in environments that put UNIX straight on their face. Apple and Google OS might use a UNIX like kernel, but none of such users will ever realise it, unless they go for the blue pill.
      - forinti 7y ago
        I installed Ubuntu for my mother-in-law and she quite likes it. I found my sister-in-law using Libre Office one day and she actually said it was nice and easy to use. So I think people's image both of Windows and of Linux are a bit outdated.
        pjmlp 7y ago
        The large majority of desktop users do not have free IT at a price of a phone call, hence 1% on Steam.
ailideex 7y ago
I think it would be wonderful if people abandon Windows for alternatives but that won't happen. People are somehow utterly enthralled by that crapware.
fendy3002 7y ago
As much as I use Linux for everyday use and dislike windows lately, Linux is still too high-tech for normal people to use. Without terminal command it's hard to manage services, etc. Moreover many drivers and games only available and optimized for windows only.
- crispinb 7y ago
  Careful. You're gunning for someone linuxsplaining how their grandpa has used Arch for years without difficulty, so you must be just wrong about all the normal people you know who find linux too hard. (I'm exclusively a linux user for now, but really .. linux people can be such a pain).

jevgeni 7y ago

Well, if the software is paid in full, there are no ads.

Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
What version of Windows do people need to buy for it to (right after the installation, with no additional tweaking) have the telemetry keylogger turned off and no ads in start menu and no adware or links to other Microsoft's products there? I've been looking for such a version for a long time.
- vezycash 7y ago
  The version with least telemetry is Enterprise Version. It's not sold to individuals. Only way is torrent. Although some once wrote here that he got his off eBay.
- jevgeni 7y ago
  In no version do you have a "keylogger".
  - Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
    Ok sure they call it "telemetry". It still sends the keys I press to some remote server for "analysis". What difference does the name make?
    - jevgeni 7y ago
      It sends the keys you type in Cortana search, AFAIK. Thinking it logs all your keys is another kind of tinfoil hat crazy.
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alxlaz 7y ago
This is not true. I have Win 10 Pro on my work laptop. It's very much "paid in full". Some of the things I paid in full for include Bubble Witch 3 Saga, Candy Crush Saga and Candy Crush Friends, and the Start menu came pre-populated with a bunch of ads for similarly useful apps (edit: among other things). Edit: if someone who's more Windows-savvy than this ol' Unix nerd knows what information I ought to edit out of a screenshot so that I can safely share it, I have the screenshot, too. This "if you pay for Win 10 Pro there are no ads" crap pops up every single damn time so I took a screenshot of my laptop's untouched Win 10 Pro installation.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Apparently when a GNU/Linux installation shows messages to try out stuff, it is "spreading the good for the community", or has a modified motd, when one gets a couple of links on the start menu, easily removed by right clicking on them, it is "bloody Microsoft".
  - alxlaz 7y ago
    I'm not sure how that's relevant here. Does my post say anything about what Ubuntu does being excusable in any way? Edit: also, FWIW, running apt-get upgrade doesn't re-enable the ads in the MOTD :-)
    - jevgeni 7y ago
      The whataboutism defense is absolutely failing at this point. If there was material criticism on HN of say Ubuntu or other providers for the same stuff Microsoft gets criticized your words might've been credible. But there isn't and they are not. Pretending to be fair and objective is not the same thing as being fair and objective.
      - alxlaz 7y ago
        Whataboutism is a logical fallacy even when the "what about" thing doesn't get enough attention. If Ubuntu got more criticism on HN, would the ads you see on Windows become less intrusive, or more appropriate? But FWIW, Ubuntu absolutely got, and still gets, plenty of criticism for that, even here on HN.

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forinti 7y ago

Microsoft has been giving people reasons to switch to Linux for quite a while. They started with the major overhaul of the Office UI. Then they came out with Windows 10. Ubuntu and Libre Office are just so much easier to work with.

pjmlp 7y ago
Yeah, I have seen that remark when XP came out, then it was Vista, followed up by how Windows 7 would drive everyone into Linux, then was how Windows 8 would do it, .... Somehow there is a pattern here, meanwhile Steam Hardware survey still shows GNU/Linux desktops at 1% on average.
- forinti 7y ago
  Yes, and most people can't do the most basic administrative tasks on Windows. Still, they stick to Windows. It is irrational.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Irrational is expecting such users to be comfortable in environments that put UNIX straight on their face. Apple and Google OS might use a UNIX like kernel, but none of such users will ever realise it, unless they go for the blue pill.
    - forinti 7y ago
      I installed Ubuntu for my mother-in-law and she quite likes it. I found my sister-in-law using Libre Office one day and she actually said it was nice and easy to use. So I think people's image both of Windows and of Linux are a bit outdated.
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        The large majority of desktop users do not have free IT at a price of a phone call, hence 1% on Steam.

ailideex 7y ago

I think it would be wonderful if people abandon Windows for alternatives but that won't happen. People are somehow utterly enthralled by that crapware.

fendy3002 7y ago

As much as I use Linux for everyday use and dislike windows lately, Linux is still too high-tech for normal people to use. Without terminal command it's hard to manage services, etc. Moreover many drivers and games only available and optimized for windows only.

crispinb 7y ago
Careful. You're gunning for someone linuxsplaining how their grandpa has used Arch for years without difficulty, so you must be just wrong about all the normal people you know who find linux too hard. (I'm exclusively a linux user for now, but really .. linux people can be such a pain).