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> hiring mostly White/Asian males though Which seems reflective of the underlying pool of applicants.

by apta 7y ago

klipklop 7y ago
Has a company like Google ever released data proving this? Latino's make up a fairly large number of the people that live in the bay area (23.5% [1]) yet there are like what 3.6%[2] of those people working at google. Seems like a pretty big gap. It would be interesting to see what their application/success ratio demographics are like. 1. http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/bayarea.htm http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/bayarea.htm 2. https://www.wired.com/story/googles-employee-diversity-numbers-havent-really-improved/ https://www.wired.com/story/googles-employee-diversity-numbe...
- smegma2 7y ago
  Bay area residents probably make up a small portion of Google's applicants. It would be more interesting to hear what percentage of their applicants are Hispanic. Of course the most important thing is: out of minority applicants who are qualified, what percent are hired? Because we may expect a smaller proportion to be qualified due to systematic barriers that they face. Google is not necessarily in a position to fix those.
- apta 7y ago
  > Latino's make up a fairly large number of the people that live in the bay area How many of them hold relevant degrees for job openings at Google?
  - xenihn 7y ago
    I know multiple people who don't have a degree at all and have full-time SWE positions at FAANGs. One is even an engineering manager. This isn't the 2000s. There's even a sourced 2018 article about current hiring practices trending away from degree requirements for you to peruse: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/15-companies-that-no-longer-require-employees-to-have-a-college-degree.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/15-companies-that-no-longer-... It's not about the degrees (relevant or otherwise).
- stickfigure 7y ago
  You can effectively look this information up yourself by checking on the demographics of CS graduates. I'm willing to bet that Google's demographics hew pretty closely to CS graduate demographics. You need to look farther upstream.
perl4ever 7y ago
It works in the opposite direction too, though. If you live in a place where a given sort of people is scarce, it doesn't matter how hard you try to be unbiased, you internalize prejudices based on your lack of (or minimal) experience with them. Then someone does come along and they don't fit in, and they are set up for failure, and try as you might, you (subconsciously) associate whatever group they belong to.

> hiring mostly White/Asian males though Which seems reflective of the underlying pool of applicants.

by apta 7y ago

> hiring mostly White/Asian males though Which seems reflective of the underlying pool of applicants.

Has a company like Google ever released data proving this? Latino's make up a fairly large number of the people that live in the bay area (23.5% [1]) yet there are like what 3.6%[2] of those people working at google. Seems like a pretty big gap. It would be interesting to see what their application/success ratio demographics are like. 1. http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/bayarea.htm http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/bayarea.htm 2. https://www.wired.com/story/googles-employee-diversity-numbers-havent-really-improved/ https://www.wired.com/story/googles-employee-diversity-numbe...

smegma2 7y ago
Bay area residents probably make up a small portion of Google's applicants. It would be more interesting to hear what percentage of their applicants are Hispanic. Of course the most important thing is: out of minority applicants who are qualified, what percent are hired? Because we may expect a smaller proportion to be qualified due to systematic barriers that they face. Google is not necessarily in a position to fix those.
apta 7y ago
> Latino's make up a fairly large number of the people that live in the bay area How many of them hold relevant degrees for job openings at Google?
- xenihn 7y ago
  I know multiple people who don't have a degree at all and have full-time SWE positions at FAANGs. One is even an engineering manager. This isn't the 2000s. There's even a sourced 2018 article about current hiring practices trending away from degree requirements for you to peruse: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/15-companies-that-no-longer-require-employees-to-have-a-college-degree.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/15-companies-that-no-longer-... It's not about the degrees (relevant or otherwise).
stickfigure 7y ago
You can effectively look this information up yourself by checking on the demographics of CS graduates. I'm willing to bet that Google's demographics hew pretty closely to CS graduate demographics. You need to look farther upstream.

perl4ever 7y ago

It works in the opposite direction too, though. If you live in a place where a given sort of people is scarce, it doesn't matter how hard you try to be unbiased, you internalize prejudices based on your lack of (or minimal) experience with them. Then someone does come along and they don't fit in, and they are set up for failure, and try as you might, you (subconsciously) associate whatever group they belong to.