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This reads like satire. Surely there are better ways to deal with the problem than using the police. The police probably also have better things to do. In fact,

This reads like satire. Surely there are better ways to deal with the problem than using the police. The police probably also have better things to do. In fact, this reads like it's a parody of the US war on drugs. It's so misguided. The article is from 2011. Has the situation improved in South Korea? Because I can see that their results in PISA 2019 were still very good.

James_Henry 7y ago
What better way would there be than the police? This seems like just the job for them. In the US at least, it is the police's job to enforce curfew. The situation is, from what I understand, very much the same as it was a decade ago. An interesting article on the topic is here https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-education-drama-idUSKCN1PS01X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-education-dram...
- Mirioron 7y ago
  A curfew like that doesn't make sense. I would consider this to be extreme government overreach. In a free society you are allowed to study as much as you want and you're allowed to teach as much as you want.
  - snazz 7y ago
    At some point it’s a child welfare problem, right? That’s certainly not outside what the police should be regulating. Of course, the underlying issue is societal and economic.
  - nisse72 7y ago
    They are free to study as much as they want. The curfew is on the business itself. As the quote in the third paragraph says: 'It's the hagwon that's in violation, not you.'
    - Hydraulix989 7y ago
      That sounds like something that is made up.
unishark 7y ago
I was thinking it reads almost like propaganda. Darn kids are just so smart and hardworking, cops are forced to ride around in their stylish Kia Sorento's and make the little geniuses enjoy life and get some sleep. Was surprised to see nothing about the success of Samsung and K-pop. What's really going on here is child abuse. The cops are trying to protect children from their parents. Sleeping in class then going to cram school all evening is silly. Obviously the parent is the one who is demanding more than the kid can handle.
- throwaway17_17 7y ago
  I’m not going to disagree regarding the parental responsibility. However, I would point out that this is similar to college courses where the final test is 100% of the course grade. Of course the priority goes to prepping for the test. There is no benefit from paying attention in class, when performance on this test can exclude someone with a perfect GPA. The system is as responsible as the parents are in this case. But on the bright side, it seems more fair than Jim-Bob’s dad paying Harvard a few million to get his slacker kid into school despite having worse qualifications than many applicants.
  - unishark 7y ago
    I don't think nationwide testing is a horrible way to handle higher education at all. Especially for developing countries. It's basically a big IQ test, so no matter how bad your school is, the cream rises to the top. However I think cramming is a by-product of "bad" education in general. By which I mean the Asian style of teaching based on rote practice and memorization. Obviously more hours means more skill at cranking out those answers and more retention of "regurgitatible" facts. US education is concerned (to at least a higher degree) with higher cognitive skills and the ability to solve more challenging problems generally. I think this is due to having a more industry-demands-driven system. As opposed to a top-down govt-imposed system trying to drive development (i.e. Asia). And if you don't pay attention in class you can't cram your way past a bunch of hard questions. Also I think it is very hard to make standardized tests which have challenging problems. Written language is just too vague. Even the smartest students will often not understand what is asked of them unless they were taught in exactly that same wording and writing style. It's far easier to differentiate smarter students by giving easy canned problems. The usual suspects will still be at the top. But of course easy canned questions create a opportunity in that weaker students can "hack" the system by just cramming enough to keep up with the smarter students.
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James_Henry 7y ago

What better way would there be than the police? This seems like just the job for them. In the US at least, it is the police's job to enforce curfew. The situation is, from what I understand, very much the same as it was a decade ago. An interesting article on the topic is here https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-education-drama-idUSKCN1PS01X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-education-dram...

Mirioron 7y ago
A curfew like that doesn't make sense. I would consider this to be extreme government overreach. In a free society you are allowed to study as much as you want and you're allowed to teach as much as you want.
- snazz 7y ago
  At some point it’s a child welfare problem, right? That’s certainly not outside what the police should be regulating. Of course, the underlying issue is societal and economic.
- nisse72 7y ago
  They are free to study as much as they want. The curfew is on the business itself. As the quote in the third paragraph says: 'It's the hagwon that's in violation, not you.'
  - Hydraulix989 7y ago
    That sounds like something that is made up.

unishark 7y ago

I was thinking it reads almost like propaganda. Darn kids are just so smart and hardworking, cops are forced to ride around in their stylish Kia Sorento's and make the little geniuses enjoy life and get some sleep. Was surprised to see nothing about the success of Samsung and K-pop. What's really going on here is child abuse. The cops are trying to protect children from their parents. Sleeping in class then going to cram school all evening is silly. Obviously the parent is the one who is demanding more than the kid can handle.

throwaway17_17 7y ago
I’m not going to disagree regarding the parental responsibility. However, I would point out that this is similar to college courses where the final test is 100% of the course grade. Of course the priority goes to prepping for the test. There is no benefit from paying attention in class, when performance on this test can exclude someone with a perfect GPA. The system is as responsible as the parents are in this case. But on the bright side, it seems more fair than Jim-Bob’s dad paying Harvard a few million to get his slacker kid into school despite having worse qualifications than many applicants.
- unishark 7y ago
  I don't think nationwide testing is a horrible way to handle higher education at all. Especially for developing countries. It's basically a big IQ test, so no matter how bad your school is, the cream rises to the top. However I think cramming is a by-product of "bad" education in general. By which I mean the Asian style of teaching based on rote practice and memorization. Obviously more hours means more skill at cranking out those answers and more retention of "regurgitatible" facts. US education is concerned (to at least a higher degree) with higher cognitive skills and the ability to solve more challenging problems generally. I think this is due to having a more industry-demands-driven system. As opposed to a top-down govt-imposed system trying to drive development (i.e. Asia). And if you don't pay attention in class you can't cram your way past a bunch of hard questions. Also I think it is very hard to make standardized tests which have challenging problems. Written language is just too vague. Even the smartest students will often not understand what is asked of them unless they were taught in exactly that same wording and writing style. It's far easier to differentiate smarter students by giving easy canned problems. The usual suspects will still be at the top. But of course easy canned questions create a opportunity in that weaker students can "hack" the system by just cramming enough to keep up with the smarter students.

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