I always hear one of the two things when I say refactoring. 1. We will see, if we have time. 2. Why is it not written better the first time? The first option

I always hear one of the two things when I say refactoring. 1. We will see, if we have time. 2. Why is it not written better the first time? The first option is mentioned by managers who have been developers before and understand stuff like this, but need to balance the delivery aspect. The second option is said either by clueless managers and senior developers who think an all-encompassing upfront system architecture/design would have been the solution. I can talk to the senior developers about it but I don't know how to respond to the clueless managers yet. Edit: s/hear two/hear one of the two