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From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short w
by antpls 7y ago
From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride."
"Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot).
The chart is showing "Aire urbaine" and "Unité urbaine" which are another way to draw geographical limits and are only used for statistical purposes, and they include the "Region of Paris", or "Ile de France". Obviously, the region is expanding like any other capital's region in the world, so that plot exactly shows nothing.
The sentence "For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city" is fake news. People living inside of the City of Paris are asking to be able to use bikes or other transport means, but all the cars coming from outside of Paris everyday are making it difficult.
Stop confusing the Region of Paris and the City of Paris. People living inside the City of Paris (the Parisians) have right to elect a mayor who will defend them. If you live in one of the adjacent cities, go elect a mayor that will locally improve your quality of life, but (real) Parisians are sick of the traffic inside their city and no other city has right to decide for them.
- laurentb 7y agothere is nothing "fake news" about this statement. it's just simply factually incorrect.
- rhn_mk1 7y agoThe point of democracy and electing mayors is to empower people to change their destiny. The chart shows that there population of the larger Paris area is increasing, as you yourself confirm: > the region is expanding like any other capital's region in the world Why are new people coming there though? Are they coming to tie their lives to the City of Paris, but they must settle for the larger region because of the saturation? Or are they coming to join the Region of Paris because of its merits excluding the City? If it's for the former, then they deserve some democratic influence on the place that brought them there, and the chart shows that the division into City of Paris and the rest denies the newcomers that influence.
- antpls 7y agoIt's only my own opinion, but I believe there is too much centralization of national, international and diplomatic institutions inside the City of Paris. I am _for_ more decentralization of businesses and powers across the Region of Paris and across other cities of France. House pricing clearly shows that the City of Paris is a gravity center in terms of everything, which leads to many of the current traffic and pollution issues imo. Maybe a decentralization of France's institutions, powers, businesses etc could help it? Edit : Idea : at each new presidential term, move all institutions and the french "white house" to Lyon or Marseilles, second biggest city of France. At the next presidential term, move everything again to Paris.
- jackjeff 7y agoOr Toulouse ranked 4. That may force the government to invest for some infrastructure. I don’t think we’ll ever a TGV there.
- phtrivier 7y agoOh, come on, it's only about 10 years away [1]. Granted, it's been 10 years away for about a decade, now. But that leaves the question of whether Toulouse will get a TGV before nuclear fusion is invented, Thomas Pesquet walks on Mars, or anyone actually start working on an Hyperloop instead of faking it [2].) [1] https://actu.fr/occitanie/toulouse_31555/pourquoi-projet-lgv-entre-bordeaux-toulouse-est-nouveau-sur-rails_25069934.html https://actu.fr/occitanie/toulouse_31555/pourquoi-projet-lgv... [2] https://actu.fr/occitanie/toulouse_31555/hyperloop-piste-essai-assemblee-tests-capsule-bientot-commencer-toulouse_21721100.html?utm_source=actu.fr&utm_medium=alireaussi https://actu.fr/occitanie/toulouse_31555/hyperloop-piste-ess...
- pamicel 7y agoMany, many, more people than the 2 million intra-muros residents spend their daily life in intra-muros, i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic. "Real Parisian" is an insulting term to use.
- ekianjo 7y ago> i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic That's nonsense though. You could argue that the influence of Parisian politics go way beyond the city and by your logic the whole of France should be voting for stuff that concerns Paris. That's just not how representation works.
- pamicel 7y agoNo I lived in Rennes for a while I couldn’t give the slightest damn about Parisian politics. I am saying that for many around Paris, Paris is like their very own city center, and they cannot move anywhere or do anything without going intra-muros, every single day. And essentially, out of two equally concerned people, the one who’s richest can afford intra-muros and is the only one who has a voice.
- titanomachy 7y agoIt's not obvious to me that only the people who can afford to live in a wealthy city centre should unilaterally make decisions affecting the greater group of people whose destinies are tied to that city. Saying "that's just how it works" is not really a justification.
- ekianjo 7y agoThen by what logic do you justify that transient workers would have more power than the own residents of Paris about how the city should run? Because this is exactly what is suggested as more people live around Paris than inside.
- carlob 7y ago> Obviously, the region is expanding like any other capital's region in the world, so that plot exactly shows nothing. Yet up until 1860 the growth was being tracked by an expanding political entity. Walk across the périphérique to Montrouge, to Vincennes and tell me whether you see a clear boundary. Go talk to someone who lives in Anthony and see how many have to commute to or through center to go to work. It's all a giant economical and social unit! Remember when they tried to expand Vélib past the city boundaries: 2 years of delay, tribunals having to chime in...all that just because the official city boundaries don't match how people live. There is also another big problem, also because of this a lot of people are just being priced out of Paris proper, there is a sharp decline in price (even in nice surrounding counties) as soon as you cross the city limits. I'm all for reducing cars, but you can't possibly deny there is a ton of people who would just love to cycle or take the Métro to work, but can't afford to live in a place where that is a possibility, yet their job and most of their working hours are spent in a city where they can't elect the mayor!
- tomatotomato37 7y agoI have no horse in this argument either way, but it's interesting how this train of thought regarding sovereignty of city vs county contrasts with the current debate between the voting politics of the direct city of San Francisco and it's greater metropolitan area, especially in regard to zoning policies.
- jackjeff 7y agoYes. But it’s the same problem on steroids. Paris is really really small. About 6x smaller than SF.