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That is akin to effectively eliminating a market player overnight. It's like saying "Sure, you can still sell bikes, but you can't include Wheels. Oh and using

That is akin to effectively eliminating a market player overnight. It's like saying "Sure, you can still sell bikes, but you can't include Wheels. Oh and using after market wheels is not recommended." This somehow feels very sad and unfortunate, especially given the amazing handsets that Huawei puts out (P30 Pro). It's a shame really. Also goes to show what happens when monopoly over anything is established. Especially in this case, where your phone is almost unusable as most publishers won't opt to publish on 17 different platforms.

hilbert42 7y ago
"This somehow feels very sad and unfortunate, especially given the amazing handsets that Huawei puts out (P30 Pro). ..." Well, it's all in the eyes of beholder, isn't it. Franky, as I see it, that P30 Pro won't have Google's crappy spyware installed is an absolute blessing (it saves those who don't want Google spying on them a great deal of trouble by not having to root the phone, which is now quite difficult given that Huawei has stopped handing out keys to unlock the bootloader). [BTW, I don't like Huawei one iota as a company but from my experience from using its technology—both phones and other communications equipment—I have found that it works very well indeed. It's often the small attention to detail that counts and that makes all the difference: for example, the OTG port on many of Huawei's smartphones reads NTFS drives directly out of the box without any mucking about—most other phones do not (they're usually limited to FAT32 and exFAT), which is a damn pain! In the past, this feature has been so important to me that I've chosen Huawei over other brands specifically because of it.]
- datashow 7y ago
  > P30 Pro won't have Google's crappy spyware installed Yes, but it has its own crappy spyware installed.
- 29083011397778 7y ago
  > it saves those who don't want Google spying on them a great deal of trouble by not having to root the phone You don't actually need root anyways. XDA has a walkthrough on disabling system APKs [1] - meaning one is able to (and I have, on my BlackBerry KeyOne) disable Google Play Services, the Services Framework, Play Store, and anything else you don't want running. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/disable-system-app-bloatware-android/ https://www.xda-developers.com/disable-system-app-bloatware-...
  - hilbert42 7y ago
    Thanks for raising that, XDA provides much useful info and it is often the first place to start. However there's many instances where certain apps cannot be uninstalled or disabled. For example, often Google Play Services cannot be disabled let alone uninstalled without rooting the phone.
weinzierl 7y ago
It is even worse than that. If I was an Android user I'd probably think twice before buying and new Chinese phone. Today it is Huawai, tomorrow some other Chinese manufacturer. Even if this kind of thinking is unfounded, it will have chilling effect on Chinese phone sales overall.

hilbert42 7y ago

"This somehow feels very sad and unfortunate, especially given the amazing handsets that Huawei puts out (P30 Pro). ..." Well, it's all in the eyes of beholder, isn't it. Franky, as I see it, that P30 Pro won't have Google's crappy spyware installed is an absolute blessing (it saves those who don't want Google spying on them a great deal of trouble by not having to root the phone, which is now quite difficult given that Huawei has stopped handing out keys to unlock the bootloader). [BTW, I don't like Huawei one iota as a company but from my experience from using its technology—both phones and other communications equipment—I have found that it works very well indeed. It's often the small attention to detail that counts and that makes all the difference: for example, the OTG port on many of Huawei's smartphones reads NTFS drives directly out of the box without any mucking about—most other phones do not (they're usually limited to FAT32 and exFAT), which is a damn pain! In the past, this feature has been so important to me that I've chosen Huawei over other brands specifically because of it.]

datashow 7y ago
> P30 Pro won't have Google's crappy spyware installed Yes, but it has its own crappy spyware installed.
29083011397778 7y ago
> it saves those who don't want Google spying on them a great deal of trouble by not having to root the phone You don't actually need root anyways. XDA has a walkthrough on disabling system APKs [1] - meaning one is able to (and I have, on my BlackBerry KeyOne) disable Google Play Services, the Services Framework, Play Store, and anything else you don't want running. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/disable-system-app-bloatware-android/ https://www.xda-developers.com/disable-system-app-bloatware-...
- hilbert42 7y ago
  Thanks for raising that, XDA provides much useful info and it is often the first place to start. However there's many instances where certain apps cannot be uninstalled or disabled. For example, often Google Play Services cannot be disabled let alone uninstalled without rooting the phone.

weinzierl 7y ago

It is even worse than that. If I was an Android user I'd probably think twice before buying and new Chinese phone. Today it is Huawai, tomorrow some other Chinese manufacturer. Even if this kind of thinking is unfounded, it will have chilling effect on Chinese phone sales overall.