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> Like isn't this something everyone is fully aware of The only way someone could not - is if the messaging was so over the top and such doomsday that it turne

> Like isn't this something everyone is fully aware of The only way someone could not - is if the messaging was so over the top and such doomsday that it turned people off of taking it seriously. I hope we don’t get there!

busymom0 7y ago
We are already there. Look at the headline of this post. That's exactly what the doomsday fear mongering is.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  You wish.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    I don't get it. Why would anyone wish that?
- TheRealSteel 7y ago
  No, it's the truth, and if anything it's an understatement.
- polotics 7y ago
  At any step of our descent from now on and for between one to two centuries, any fully accurate predictions on the state of the climate system twenty year hence will be seen as doomsday fear mongering by many. However doom is never evenly distributed, unless you were in a few select Australian, Californian or African places this year, you missed it. In order to confirm or deny the statements above you need to invest about ten hours of your time to get to the facts. The IPCC report's Working Group One output is a good start.
  - busymom0 7y ago
    > you need to invest about ten hours of your time to get to the facts Your comment seems condescending assuming I haven't researched this field. I have invested hundreds of hours. I have reviewed several IPCC report, have downloaded raw data and plotted it etc. A lot of the things being stated are blatant lies and easily disproven. It has been going on since 1970s. Here's letters to the President back in 1972 claiming we are approaching an Ice Age, not warming: https://i.imgur.com/Nd57TtC.png https://i.imgur.com/Nd57TtC.png The source of that letter is NOAA itself. They have since removed the page but internet never forgets: https://web.archive.org/web/20081022084215/http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/outreach/proceedings/cdw29_proceedings/Reeves.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20081022084215/http://www.cpc.no... After the wide consensus from scientists in 1972 of an "ice age" within 5 years in 1977, they suddenly started "global warming". ----- Since you state Australia, I will guess you are referring to the fired from last year which media reported as the worst on record and 60 minutes did a segment with the same. They even had Michael Mann on who declared it the worst bushfire on record. But that's easily disproven. The 1974-75 is the worst bushfire. Here are 3 different sources: https://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/6C98BB75496A5AD1CA2569DE00267E48 https://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/6C98BB75496A5AD1C... https://knowledge.aidr.org.au/resources/bushfire-new-south-wales-1974/ https://knowledge.aidr.org.au/resources/bushfire-new-south-w... > In 1974-75, lush growth of grasses and forbs following exceptionally heavy rainfall in the previous two years provided continuous fuels through much of central Australia and in this season fires burnt over 117 million hectares or 15 per cent of the total land area of this continent. As they state, 15% of the total land was on fire and 117 million hectares were burnt. The 2019 fire is only 18 hectares. ----- Timothy Wirth, President of UN for 15 years and the senator who brought in Dr James Hansen (Director of NASA Goddard Institute for 35 years) back in 1988 which led to the formation of the IPCC is on record on how he sabotaged the air-conditioner the night before the testimony and also called the Weather Network to know when the hottest day would be to setup the testimony on that day: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/interviews/wirth.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/intervi... The same Timothy Wirth is also on record from Rio Climate Summit: > “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” Archived from The National Center for Public Policy Research: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304113733/https://nationalcenter.org/dos7130.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160304113733/https://nationalc... ----- If you dig a bit deep into the data and IPCC reports you will notice that their "2016 is the warmest year on record" is a blatant lie too.

busymom0 7y ago

We are already there. Look at the headline of this post. That's exactly what the doomsday fear mongering is.

jacquesm 7y ago
You wish.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  I don't get it. Why would anyone wish that?
TheRealSteel 7y ago
No, it's the truth, and if anything it's an understatement.
polotics 7y ago
At any step of our descent from now on and for between one to two centuries, any fully accurate predictions on the state of the climate system twenty year hence will be seen as doomsday fear mongering by many. However doom is never evenly distributed, unless you were in a few select Australian, Californian or African places this year, you missed it. In order to confirm or deny the statements above you need to invest about ten hours of your time to get to the facts. The IPCC report's Working Group One output is a good start.
- busymom0 7y ago
  > you need to invest about ten hours of your time to get to the facts Your comment seems condescending assuming I haven't researched this field. I have invested hundreds of hours. I have reviewed several IPCC report, have downloaded raw data and plotted it etc. A lot of the things being stated are blatant lies and easily disproven. It has been going on since 1970s. Here's letters to the President back in 1972 claiming we are approaching an Ice Age, not warming: https://i.imgur.com/Nd57TtC.png https://i.imgur.com/Nd57TtC.png The source of that letter is NOAA itself. They have since removed the page but internet never forgets: https://web.archive.org/web/20081022084215/http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/outreach/proceedings/cdw29_proceedings/Reeves.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20081022084215/http://www.cpc.no... After the wide consensus from scientists in 1972 of an "ice age" within 5 years in 1977, they suddenly started "global warming". ----- Since you state Australia, I will guess you are referring to the fired from last year which media reported as the worst on record and 60 minutes did a segment with the same. They even had Michael Mann on who declared it the worst bushfire on record. But that's easily disproven. The 1974-75 is the worst bushfire. Here are 3 different sources: https://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/6C98BB75496A5AD1CA2569DE00267E48 https://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/6C98BB75496A5AD1C... https://knowledge.aidr.org.au/resources/bushfire-new-south-wales-1974/ https://knowledge.aidr.org.au/resources/bushfire-new-south-w... > In 1974-75, lush growth of grasses and forbs following exceptionally heavy rainfall in the previous two years provided continuous fuels through much of central Australia and in this season fires burnt over 117 million hectares or 15 per cent of the total land area of this continent. As they state, 15% of the total land was on fire and 117 million hectares were burnt. The 2019 fire is only 18 hectares. ----- Timothy Wirth, President of UN for 15 years and the senator who brought in Dr James Hansen (Director of NASA Goddard Institute for 35 years) back in 1988 which led to the formation of the IPCC is on record on how he sabotaged the air-conditioner the night before the testimony and also called the Weather Network to know when the hottest day would be to setup the testimony on that day: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/interviews/wirth.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/intervi... The same Timothy Wirth is also on record from Rio Climate Summit: > “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” Archived from The National Center for Public Policy Research: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304113733/https://nationalcenter.org/dos7130.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160304113733/https://nationalc... ----- If you dig a bit deep into the data and IPCC reports you will notice that their "2016 is the warmest year on record" is a blatant lie too.