Author misses two important points: 1. I'm not going to self-host any of that stuff for my own projects, nor am I willing to pay for an alternative SaaS that a

Author misses two important points: 1. I'm not going to self-host any of that stuff for my own projects, nor am I willing to pay for an alternative SaaS that a privacy-extremist finds less objectionable. 2. Few projects are important enough to me to sign up to use their weird self-hosted or non-mainstream-SaaS solutions. Discord wins for the same reasons that GitHub wins, that Sourceforge used to win, and for the same reasons that no upstart projects are standing up their own Trac or Bugzilla servers any more. Insert "Old Man Yelling at Clouds" meme.