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>> Humans fucking drive straight into lakes because the map told them to. I had to check if this was real or just a bit from the office that imprinted. Googlin

>> Humans fucking drive straight into lakes because the map told them to. I had to check if this was real or just a bit from the office that imprinted. Googling "humans drive into lake" only finds one incident. Which occured at midnight.[1] and if you look at the research, they didnt convert it into an 8, they simply extended the middle part of the 3 a little bit [2] [1]https://fox8.com/news/a-little-embarrassed-woman-follows-cars-gps-straight-into-lake-huron/ https://fox8.com/news/a-little-embarrassed-woman-follows-car... [2]https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2020/02/Screenshot-2020-02-19-at-11.59.56.png https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2020/02...

ebg13 7y ago
> Googling "humans drive into lake" only finds one incident. You'd find more examples if you tried slightly harder ("lake" isn't the important part!): https://kfgo.com/2020/02/10/man-drives-into-mississippi-river-while-following-google-maps/983425/ https://kfgo.com/2020/02/10/man-drives-into-mississippi-rive... https://www.cnet.com/news/man-drives-into-river-gps-china/ https://www.cnet.com/news/man-drives-into-river-gps-china/ https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-watches-wife-burn-alive-5435575 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-watches-wife-bu... https://abc13.com/587100/ https://abc13.com/587100/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/gps-tracking-disaster-japanese-tourists-drive-straight-into-the-pacific/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/gps-tracking-... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/7962212.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/7962212.... https://www.boston25news.com/news/man-drives-into-pond-while-following-gps-directions/538872511/ https://www.boston25news.com/news/man-drives-into-pond-while... https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/gps-leads-nj-motorist-into-house/2123304/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/gps-leads-nj-motorist-... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164705/BMW-left-teetering-100ft-cliff-edge-sat-nav-directs-driver-steep-footpath.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164705/BMW-left-te... https://www.westsiderag.com/2013/05/01/gps-brain-fail-driver-car-ends-up-stuck-on-riverside-park-stairs https://www.westsiderag.com/2013/05/01/gps-brain-fail-driver... https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/driver-follows-gps-into-sand/news-story/081ea557f486757a0cdd2722892727bb https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/driver-follows-g... https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/waze-app-directs-driver-to-drive-car-into-lake-champlain.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/waze-app-directs-dri... https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/2-drivers-stuck-on-train-tracks-in-duluth-after-gps-error-1-car-hit https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/2-drivers-stuck-on-train-tr... https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2013/06/19/mbta-train-accident-car-tracks/ https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2013/06/19/mbta-train-ac... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-01/car-being-hit-by-train-after-gps-sends-onto-tracks/6818564 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-01/car-being-hit-by-trai... https://abc7chicago.com/395218/ https://abc7chicago.com/395218/ People act like humans are immune from making idiotic decisions or from ignoring their surroundings or something. That's...super naive.
- sharkmerry 7y ago
  But in these examples, would AI driving not fail there too? Heres an example of AI driving into a river https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unintended-accelerated/ https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unint... so it happens as well. would you be fooled by the attached image in my previous comment? If you were fooled, would your default action be to accelerate by 50mph, when no other drivers are?
  - ebg13 7y ago
    > would AI driving not fail there too? It might if it were relying solely on a GPS and nothing else, but, of course, none of them do that. The biggest difference is that navigation software can improve and sensors don't stop paying attention. You can't say either of those things about people who screw up in exactly the same circumstances. > Heres an example of AI driving into a river https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unint.. https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unint.... so it happens as well. Let's note that the article is skeptical that the problem was actually the car: "I want to give the driver the benefit of the doubt, but every time we have seen similar circumstances, the logs always pointed to a user mistake." But even giving the driver the benefit of the doubt and asserting as a premise that the AI caused the accident, we're still left with the fact that people unintentionally accelerate their vehicles all the damn time. If a machine does it once in a while, that's not a regression, that's the baseline.
    - sharkmerry 7y ago
      >> we're still left with the fact that people unintentionally accelerate their vehicles all the goddamn time. Again, do they do this by 50+mph ALL THE GODDAMN TIME? >> If a machine does it once in a while, that's not a regression, that's the baseline. If all the machines do it at once though? The impact of self-driving failing is a lot more than 1 person, typically. Also, we dont know the rate of error. There are 1.2 Billion drivers in the world. 3.5 Billions smartphone users. Its safe to say 50% of drivers use GPS. So 600 Millions Drivers using GPS? There arent even 1 million Tesla's on the road yet and they are already having incidents.

ebg13 7y ago

> Googling "humans drive into lake" only finds one incident. You'd find more examples if you tried slightly harder ("lake" isn't the important part!): https://kfgo.com/2020/02/10/man-drives-into-mississippi-river-while-following-google-maps/983425/ https://kfgo.com/2020/02/10/man-drives-into-mississippi-rive... https://www.cnet.com/news/man-drives-into-river-gps-china/ https://www.cnet.com/news/man-drives-into-river-gps-china/ https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-watches-wife-burn-alive-5435575 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-watches-wife-bu... https://abc13.com/587100/ https://abc13.com/587100/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/gps-tracking-disaster-japanese-tourists-drive-straight-into-the-pacific/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/gps-tracking-... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/7962212.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/7962212.... https://www.boston25news.com/news/man-drives-into-pond-while-following-gps-directions/538872511/ https://www.boston25news.com/news/man-drives-into-pond-while... https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/gps-leads-nj-motorist-into-house/2123304/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/gps-leads-nj-motorist-... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164705/BMW-left-teetering-100ft-cliff-edge-sat-nav-directs-driver-steep-footpath.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1164705/BMW-left-te... https://www.westsiderag.com/2013/05/01/gps-brain-fail-driver-car-ends-up-stuck-on-riverside-park-stairs https://www.westsiderag.com/2013/05/01/gps-brain-fail-driver... https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/driver-follows-gps-into-sand/news-story/081ea557f486757a0cdd2722892727bb https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/driver-follows-g... https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/waze-app-directs-driver-to-drive-car-into-lake-champlain.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/waze-app-directs-dri... https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/2-drivers-stuck-on-train-tracks-in-duluth-after-gps-error-1-car-hit https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/2-drivers-stuck-on-train-tr... https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2013/06/19/mbta-train-accident-car-tracks/ https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2013/06/19/mbta-train-ac... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-01/car-being-hit-by-train-after-gps-sends-onto-tracks/6818564 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-01/car-being-hit-by-trai... https://abc7chicago.com/395218/ https://abc7chicago.com/395218/ People act like humans are immune from making idiotic decisions or from ignoring their surroundings or something. That's...super naive.

sharkmerry 7y ago
But in these examples, would AI driving not fail there too? Heres an example of AI driving into a river https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unintended-accelerated/ https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unint... so it happens as well. would you be fooled by the attached image in my previous comment? If you were fooled, would your default action be to accelerate by 50mph, when no other drivers are?
- ebg13 7y ago
  > would AI driving not fail there too? It might if it were relying solely on a GPS and nothing else, but, of course, none of them do that. The biggest difference is that navigation software can improve and sensors don't stop paying attention. You can't say either of those things about people who screw up in exactly the same circumstances. > Heres an example of AI driving into a river https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unint.. https://electrek.co/2019/03/10/tesla-crash-river-claim-unint.... so it happens as well. Let's note that the article is skeptical that the problem was actually the car: "I want to give the driver the benefit of the doubt, but every time we have seen similar circumstances, the logs always pointed to a user mistake." But even giving the driver the benefit of the doubt and asserting as a premise that the AI caused the accident, we're still left with the fact that people unintentionally accelerate their vehicles all the damn time. If a machine does it once in a while, that's not a regression, that's the baseline.
  - sharkmerry 7y ago
    >> we're still left with the fact that people unintentionally accelerate their vehicles all the goddamn time. Again, do they do this by 50+mph ALL THE GODDAMN TIME? >> If a machine does it once in a while, that's not a regression, that's the baseline. If all the machines do it at once though? The impact of self-driving failing is a lot more than 1 person, typically. Also, we dont know the rate of error. There are 1.2 Billion drivers in the world. 3.5 Billions smartphone users. Its safe to say 50% of drivers use GPS. So 600 Millions Drivers using GPS? There arent even 1 million Tesla's on the road yet and they are already having incidents.