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I'm getting strange vibes for how people must be reacting to this. Your idea of a possible better world is so bad that you should feel bad! /s

thu2111 7y ago
Haha yeah -4, that's pretty far out. Lots of people who hate tax credits out there! It's really hard to defend libraries though. They're not just an inefficient use of space. They're bad for the environment too, as people have to travel back and forth all the time to swap books, discover the book they want isn't returned yet, etc. They're often badly maintained. Their books get damaged, lost or stolen. Their selection is really, really limited. Buying a book online is a great replacement except for the buying part. For most people books aren't a big part of their expenditure. For people for whom it is it'd be reasonable to effectively give them the money back instead. Especially now the marginal cost of the "book" is near zero, like with software. If the admin systems were good enough you'd never have to think about it: it could be integrated with the booksellers checkout system so the cost is literally zero. Of course that's not how tax credits really work today, but it could be done that way.
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  You're missing the forest for the trees. Libraries are more than just books, they're free spaces for all types of learning, collaboration and production. I work remotely, sometimes from a library. I can request a space to work with others, and even hold large seminars if I wanted. There are dozens of free programs for kids to meet and learn, and there are opportunities for for working adults and the elderly, as well. My local library will even do interview prep for those who want it, which includes mock interviews from people in industry who donate their time. There's also 3D printers there, too. Librarians are more than just people who can find books on shelves. They can help you research, and have access to a multitude of databases that you might not know about. As an example, I wanted to contact the owners of a business and had trouble finding that information. That info existed in a database I didn't know about, and a librarian helped me retrieve it.
  - thu2111 7y ago
    Collaboration and production? I think your local libraries are very different to the sorts of libraries I used to use as a child. What you're describing there sounds more like a community centre of some sort. Libraries are traditionally silent for example. You don't collaborate in them or else you get shushed. You definitely don't run 3D printers in them! But I can see that if that's what you associate with modern libraries then replacing them with book purchase credits would seem a poor trade.
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      Your experience with libraries is 20years behind the times. My local library has a 3D printer.
      - thu2111 7y ago
        Maybe so. But is it still a library if its primary cited uses isn't reading books? Why not just rename it to what it really is, some sort of community/maker centre?
        watersb 7y ago
        "Rebranding" would incur costs for very little benefit. Perhaps you could offer to pay for the new signs, logos, etc for your local library. You could donate the work required to submit a proposal, and if your numbers are good maybe they will be interested. In general, I see libraries promoting their services via web sites and Facebook online, and physical bulletin boards in-house and around town. My childhood, ~45 years ago rural Georgia (USA), had a great selection of proto-nerd books, even production facilities for the local-access cable TV channel. Not strictly related to public library, but we also had a great time with after-school and summer maker programs sponsored by the County Extension office. In agriculture, everyone has to be a "maker". (I don't know what urban regions were like. And as this was only about ten years after state-mandated apartheid, no doubt lots of kids were living in medieval conditions.)
        smnrchrds 7y ago

thu2111 7y ago

Haha yeah -4, that's pretty far out. Lots of people who hate tax credits out there! It's really hard to defend libraries though. They're not just an inefficient use of space. They're bad for the environment too, as people have to travel back and forth all the time to swap books, discover the book they want isn't returned yet, etc. They're often badly maintained. Their books get damaged, lost or stolen. Their selection is really, really limited. Buying a book online is a great replacement except for the buying part. For most people books aren't a big part of their expenditure. For people for whom it is it'd be reasonable to effectively give them the money back instead. Especially now the marginal cost of the "book" is near zero, like with software. If the admin systems were good enough you'd never have to think about it: it could be integrated with the booksellers checkout system so the cost is literally zero. Of course that's not how tax credits really work today, but it could be done that way.

heavyset_go 7y ago
You're missing the forest for the trees. Libraries are more than just books, they're free spaces for all types of learning, collaboration and production. I work remotely, sometimes from a library. I can request a space to work with others, and even hold large seminars if I wanted. There are dozens of free programs for kids to meet and learn, and there are opportunities for for working adults and the elderly, as well. My local library will even do interview prep for those who want it, which includes mock interviews from people in industry who donate their time. There's also 3D printers there, too. Librarians are more than just people who can find books on shelves. They can help you research, and have access to a multitude of databases that you might not know about. As an example, I wanted to contact the owners of a business and had trouble finding that information. That info existed in a database I didn't know about, and a librarian helped me retrieve it.
- thu2111 7y ago
  Collaboration and production? I think your local libraries are very different to the sorts of libraries I used to use as a child. What you're describing there sounds more like a community centre of some sort. Libraries are traditionally silent for example. You don't collaborate in them or else you get shushed. You definitely don't run 3D printers in them! But I can see that if that's what you associate with modern libraries then replacing them with book purchase credits would seem a poor trade.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    Your experience with libraries is 20years behind the times. My local library has a 3D printer.
    - thu2111 7y ago
      Maybe so. But is it still a library if its primary cited uses isn't reading books? Why not just rename it to what it really is, some sort of community/maker centre?
      - watersb 7y ago
        "Rebranding" would incur costs for very little benefit. Perhaps you could offer to pay for the new signs, logos, etc for your local library. You could donate the work required to submit a proposal, and if your numbers are good maybe they will be interested. In general, I see libraries promoting their services via web sites and Facebook online, and physical bulletin boards in-house and around town. My childhood, ~45 years ago rural Georgia (USA), had a great selection of proto-nerd books, even production facilities for the local-access cable TV channel. Not strictly related to public library, but we also had a great time with after-school and summer maker programs sponsored by the County Extension office. In agriculture, everyone has to be a "maker". (I don't know what urban regions were like. And as this was only about ten years after state-mandated apartheid, no doubt lots of kids were living in medieval conditions.)
      - smnrchrds 7y ago