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Even only hearing your side of this, I think Discord is being reasonable. It sounds like anyone could grab a cheat from your server and go wreak havoc on an unm

Even only hearing your side of this, I think Discord is being reasonable. It sounds like anyone could grab a cheat from your server and go wreak havoc on an unmodded server for this game... surely your mod isn't universally used?

krilly 7y ago
Yeah, I'm sure that kind of thing could be shared privately by email between the relevant parties
- heavenlyblue 7y ago
  when was the last time Gmail banned someone for sending controversial e-mails from their platform?
  - xenophonf 7y ago
    How would anyone know? I keep seeing HN posts of people losing their Google accounts for some unspecified ToS violation (that is, if they can get any information about their ban from Google at all).
    - heavenlyblue 7y ago
      No one ever reported that by the way. With their massive user base it would have already happened at least once especially in the light of all of these scandals of lack of platform neutrality. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube but never Gmail.
      - eindiran 7y ago
        What are you talking about? People constantly report their Google accounts being banned, very often for things they did in their emails. It seems impossible to me that you've never heard of someone being banned by Google because of something they sent with their Gmail account. Usually Google reports it as an unspecified ToS violation, but that doesn't mean it wasn't related to things they did in "private" correspondence via email.
        ViViDboarder 7y ago
        > very often for things they did in their emails. Do you have an example? I don’t recall ever seeing that. I’ve seen mostly for other services.
        londons_explore 7y ago
        I believe it has been many years since any Google employee has looked into a Gmail accounts message contents without prior permission from the account holder.
- haggy 7y ago
  "Privately" and "by email" are directly in conflict with each other as well.
  - franga2000 7y ago
    If you're referring to the fact email is usually not encrypted / verified, that is clearly not what OP was referring to by "privately". Email is in general a "private" (as opposed to "public") means of communication.
fphhotchips 7y ago
What does that have to do with Discord? What makes them the cheat police?
- tedunangst 7y ago
  Trying to maintain cozy relations with game devs.
  - chc 7y ago
    Then Discord were not being reasonable, since (according to the story that the rest of these details are from) the channel had the blessing of the game's developer.
    - Barrin92 7y ago
      I think the question for discord is rather if it allows that precedent on one platform it becomes much easier for cheat distribution communities to use this sort of rhetoric as a disguise to avoid being banned. I think not allowing the distribution of cheat software even for benevolent purposes on a platform so widely used by a general audience is probably a reasonable choice.
      - chc 7y ago
        No, that's a bogus argument. People always try to justify misbehavior by saying that acting appropriately would create precedent, and applying that precedent to a totally different situation would lead bad results. This argument is bogus because you can just...not do the second part. The actual slippery slope is that making excuses for companies that act inhuman just allows companies to act more and more inhuman.
        Barrin92 7y ago
        Discord is a private company. I know it has been pointed out repeatedly, but there is no slippery slope here because discord is not obligated to host any content it deems bad for its business. This isn't inhuman, nobody is entitled to use anyone else's private platform. Precedent matters when it comes to what you host because it does put a significant burden on discord to distinguish what content is malicious and what isn't once they allow malware to be distributed on their service. If the platform becomes infested with people spreading malware for games users or other game developers will avoid it, harming discord's business. If you want to have a community of people that shares content that violates the terms of service of a lot of existing software then you'd probably be wise to host that platform yourself rather than expecting a game chat company to facilitate the sharing of game-breaking software for you.
michaelmrose 7y ago
Why cant cheaters just use a web site and irc to do this? Having a policy of kicking cheaters as found ought to be enough.

krilly 7y ago

Yeah, I'm sure that kind of thing could be shared privately by email between the relevant parties

heavenlyblue 7y ago
when was the last time Gmail banned someone for sending controversial e-mails from their platform?
- xenophonf 7y ago
  How would anyone know? I keep seeing HN posts of people losing their Google accounts for some unspecified ToS violation (that is, if they can get any information about their ban from Google at all).
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    No one ever reported that by the way. With their massive user base it would have already happened at least once especially in the light of all of these scandals of lack of platform neutrality. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube but never Gmail.
    - eindiran 7y ago
      What are you talking about? People constantly report their Google accounts being banned, very often for things they did in their emails. It seems impossible to me that you've never heard of someone being banned by Google because of something they sent with their Gmail account. Usually Google reports it as an unspecified ToS violation, but that doesn't mean it wasn't related to things they did in "private" correspondence via email.
      - ViViDboarder 7y ago
        > very often for things they did in their emails. Do you have an example? I don’t recall ever seeing that. I’ve seen mostly for other services.
      - londons_explore 7y ago
        I believe it has been many years since any Google employee has looked into a Gmail accounts message contents without prior permission from the account holder.
haggy 7y ago
"Privately" and "by email" are directly in conflict with each other as well.
- franga2000 7y ago
  If you're referring to the fact email is usually not encrypted / verified, that is clearly not what OP was referring to by "privately". Email is in general a "private" (as opposed to "public") means of communication.

fphhotchips 7y ago

What does that have to do with Discord? What makes them the cheat police?

tedunangst 7y ago
Trying to maintain cozy relations with game devs.
- chc 7y ago
  Then Discord were not being reasonable, since (according to the story that the rest of these details are from) the channel had the blessing of the game's developer.
  - Barrin92 7y ago
    I think the question for discord is rather if it allows that precedent on one platform it becomes much easier for cheat distribution communities to use this sort of rhetoric as a disguise to avoid being banned. I think not allowing the distribution of cheat software even for benevolent purposes on a platform so widely used by a general audience is probably a reasonable choice.
    - chc 7y ago
      No, that's a bogus argument. People always try to justify misbehavior by saying that acting appropriately would create precedent, and applying that precedent to a totally different situation would lead bad results. This argument is bogus because you can just...not do the second part. The actual slippery slope is that making excuses for companies that act inhuman just allows companies to act more and more inhuman.
      - Barrin92 7y ago
        Discord is a private company. I know it has been pointed out repeatedly, but there is no slippery slope here because discord is not obligated to host any content it deems bad for its business. This isn't inhuman, nobody is entitled to use anyone else's private platform. Precedent matters when it comes to what you host because it does put a significant burden on discord to distinguish what content is malicious and what isn't once they allow malware to be distributed on their service. If the platform becomes infested with people spreading malware for games users or other game developers will avoid it, harming discord's business. If you want to have a community of people that shares content that violates the terms of service of a lot of existing software then you'd probably be wise to host that platform yourself rather than expecting a game chat company to facilitate the sharing of game-breaking software for you.

michaelmrose 7y ago

Why cant cheaters just use a web site and irc to do this? Having a policy of kicking cheaters as found ought to be enough.