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https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/emerging-tobacco-products/6-important-things-know-about-iqos-new-heated https://truthinitiative.org/research-reso

https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/emerging-tobacco-products/6-important-things-know-about-iqos-new-heated https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/emerging-toba... For those who also had no idea what an "IQOS" was. Looks like it's an e-cig you shove a cigarette into. Seems dumb. If I was a kid, I wouldn't think it seemed preferential over regular e-cigs.

derefr 7y ago
If you think of it as an e-cigarette, it’s dumb. If you think of it as a fancy filter for regular cigarettes, it’s potentially clever. Especially if, for some reason, you already have the cigarettes, or can acquire them for cheaper than you can acquire e-cig liquid (because e.g. you work at a convenience store.)
- jacob019 7y ago
  It's a vaporizer for leaf material. People have been using this tech for weed for 20+ years.
52-6F-62 7y ago
Oof. I don't know who would really trust research about it being "less harmful" coming from that company after their history. It may very well be, but I wouldn't trust them on the matter.
awslattery 7y ago
Saw extensive use of these type of devices across Tokyo a few months back. Hadn't yet seen them in the market at our local QT/Circle Ks.
delusional 7y ago
> If I was a kid, I wouldn't think it seemed preferential over regular e-cigs. If I was a kid none of these options would be preferential over just not smoking. I've never smoked, but to my knowledge it doesn't carry any positive effects. That means utility doesn't really make any difference. The tobacco game is a pure marketing play. Maybe you could even sell a JUUL and an IQOS device to the same people (JUUL for everyday use and the IQOS for trips where you can get new capsules)
- pochamago 7y ago
  Nicotine is a nootropic with a number of documented cognitive benefits. E-cigs appear to be largely harmless so far, excepting black market pods, so I've been happy to see that we've potentially turned a very harmful vice into one that is as dangerous or less than alcohol.
  - gmanley 7y ago
    We don't have much research on the subject yet so we really don't know harmful they are. I'd say it's pretty fair to say they are better than cigarettes but a big step to call them largely harmless. Your still running molecules over a red hot coil and inhaling it. At the very least we know that that creates large concentrations of free radicals that can damage cells. I do agree it's probably a lesser evil but we shouldn't forget that it is still harmful.
    - pochamago 7y ago
      I think it's notable that the most damning thing anti-tobacco advocates can say about it is that it's addictive, and I think it's notable that the English Public Health agency was confident enough to declare it to be at least 95% less harmful than cigarettes https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5429/rapid-responses https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5429/rapid-responses I don't believe alcohol is 95% less harmful than cigs.
  - ygjb 7y ago
    This claim appears so frequently but without links to data to back the assertion, so unless you have something to back that all up, people would be better served educating themselves on the lung damage and deaths caused by vaping - https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html#cdc-recommends https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/s...
    - pochamago 7y ago
      The CDC has reported that the problem was black market juice. They call it "products from informal sources" https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6902e2.htm?s_cid=mm6902e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6902e2.htm?s_cid=mm...
ubittibu 7y ago
And for those who have no idea what it smells like, it’s a mix of fart and wet dog. I don't understand how they can market it.

derefr 7y ago

If you think of it as an e-cigarette, it’s dumb. If you think of it as a fancy filter for regular cigarettes, it’s potentially clever. Especially if, for some reason, you already have the cigarettes, or can acquire them for cheaper than you can acquire e-cig liquid (because e.g. you work at a convenience store.)

jacob019 7y ago
It's a vaporizer for leaf material. People have been using this tech for weed for 20+ years.

52-6F-62 7y ago

Oof. I don't know who would really trust research about it being "less harmful" coming from that company after their history. It may very well be, but I wouldn't trust them on the matter.

awslattery 7y ago

Saw extensive use of these type of devices across Tokyo a few months back. Hadn't yet seen them in the market at our local QT/Circle Ks.

delusional 7y ago

> If I was a kid, I wouldn't think it seemed preferential over regular e-cigs. If I was a kid none of these options would be preferential over just not smoking. I've never smoked, but to my knowledge it doesn't carry any positive effects. That means utility doesn't really make any difference. The tobacco game is a pure marketing play. Maybe you could even sell a JUUL and an IQOS device to the same people (JUUL for everyday use and the IQOS for trips where you can get new capsules)

pochamago 7y ago
Nicotine is a nootropic with a number of documented cognitive benefits. E-cigs appear to be largely harmless so far, excepting black market pods, so I've been happy to see that we've potentially turned a very harmful vice into one that is as dangerous or less than alcohol.
- gmanley 7y ago
  We don't have much research on the subject yet so we really don't know harmful they are. I'd say it's pretty fair to say they are better than cigarettes but a big step to call them largely harmless. Your still running molecules over a red hot coil and inhaling it. At the very least we know that that creates large concentrations of free radicals that can damage cells. I do agree it's probably a lesser evil but we shouldn't forget that it is still harmful.
  - pochamago 7y ago
    I think it's notable that the most damning thing anti-tobacco advocates can say about it is that it's addictive, and I think it's notable that the English Public Health agency was confident enough to declare it to be at least 95% less harmful than cigarettes https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5429/rapid-responses https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5429/rapid-responses I don't believe alcohol is 95% less harmful than cigs.
- ygjb 7y ago
  This claim appears so frequently but without links to data to back the assertion, so unless you have something to back that all up, people would be better served educating themselves on the lung damage and deaths caused by vaping - https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html#cdc-recommends https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/s...
  - pochamago 7y ago
    The CDC has reported that the problem was black market juice. They call it "products from informal sources" https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6902e2.htm?s_cid=mm6902e2_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6902e2.htm?s_cid=mm...

ubittibu 7y ago

And for those who have no idea what it smells like, it’s a mix of fart and wet dog. I don't understand how they can market it.