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I agree (my fault, sorry) but the fact is that several people are encountering the exact same issue with a variety of motherboards. So either all those motherbo

by franzb 7y ago

I agree (my fault, sorry) but the fact is that several people are encountering the exact same issue with a variety of motherboards. So either all those motherboards are "defective" or the problem is more complex than it looks. My motherboard is the highest end consumer motherboard GIGABYTE has ever built (as far as I know), and I wouldn't say that they tried to keep costs down (it's listed at $849 on PartPicker, and it was introduced at $999) and the power delivery stage is insane. Here's BuildZoid's _in-depth_ review and analysis of its VRM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUWzDSAS9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUWzDSAS9c

ComputerGuru 7y ago
I learned a long time ago to never get the most expensive motherboard (ASUS Republic of Gamers many years back): they're not as heavily tested as the cheaper ones. They are only ostensibly better; in practice, the mid-level "workstation-class" motherboards that feature similar capabilities but missing fancier options are put through the works and far more thoroughly tested and debugged. Just look at the BIOS changelogs and even the hardware revisions for high-but-not-flagship-high motherboards as compared to the flagship models. When you buy the top-of-the-line, you're on your own. I now literally go out of my way not to get the flagship motherboard models, even if it means holding off on a purchase until a lower-spec'd model comes out, and have never regretted it since. (I also will never again buy Gigabyte motherboards, either.)
- hermitdev 7y ago
  I have an ASUS ROG mobo. I can't do a soft reset of the computer with RAID enabled. For some reason on restart, it fails to recognize my SSD (I have an SSD as my boot drive and 3 HDD in a RAID array for data). Without fail, I always get "No boot drive detected". I have to do a hard power cycle every time. Annoying when Windows updates require multiple restarts sometimes...
close04 7y ago
I see Gigabyte being singled out more than the rest so I wonder if this is another "fake phases" debacle as it happened to them in the past. They advertise the board now as having "real phases". It's not out of the question that they took a shortcut elsewhere in order to meet some efficiency expectations or anything else like this. Just because it's high end doesn't mean they won't cut corners or fail to test properly. My ROG motherboard was (at the time) the most expensive motherboard for the socket. Yet it behaved overall worse than many mid/low-end motherboards I owned, an experience shared with other owners of the same board. Even if this is a problem with the CPU that is mitigated by changing parameters of the motherboard it should have been caught during the motherboard design and testing. I can't imagine Gigabyte's engineers noticing this stuff and saying "just ship it like that, nobody will notice". So the best interpretation I can have is that they missed it during testing (the worst is that the marketing department said "we have to put it out there fast, all else be damned", and all else was damned).
- clarry 7y ago
  > Just because it's high end doesn't mean they won't cut corners or fail to test properly. My ROG motherboard was (at the time) the most expensive motherboard for the socket. High end in consumer stuff, and especially anything gaming related, is basically scam.. look mah, 16000 dpi! And blingy leds! (But no engineering) Sure they might drop an over-specced part somewhere in it but it's just marketing when the rest of the product is crap and still has no proper engineering behind it. It's incredibly frustrating. I think there was a time when you could generally assume that expensive = high end = actually good, but now it's just a cheap thing with crazy markup and a premium part (but nowhere near premium enough to justify the markup) or two somewhere (where it probably doesn't matter much anyway) along with other gimmicks. Now it's just expensive = expensive, good or maybe not.

by franzb 7y ago

ComputerGuru 7y ago

I learned a long time ago to never get the most expensive motherboard (ASUS Republic of Gamers many years back): they're not as heavily tested as the cheaper ones. They are only ostensibly better; in practice, the mid-level "workstation-class" motherboards that feature similar capabilities but missing fancier options are put through the works and far more thoroughly tested and debugged. Just look at the BIOS changelogs and even the hardware revisions for high-but-not-flagship-high motherboards as compared to the flagship models. When you buy the top-of-the-line, you're on your own. I now literally go out of my way not to get the flagship motherboard models, even if it means holding off on a purchase until a lower-spec'd model comes out, and have never regretted it since. (I also will never again buy Gigabyte motherboards, either.)

hermitdev 7y ago
I have an ASUS ROG mobo. I can't do a soft reset of the computer with RAID enabled. For some reason on restart, it fails to recognize my SSD (I have an SSD as my boot drive and 3 HDD in a RAID array for data). Without fail, I always get "No boot drive detected". I have to do a hard power cycle every time. Annoying when Windows updates require multiple restarts sometimes...

close04 7y ago

I see Gigabyte being singled out more than the rest so I wonder if this is another "fake phases" debacle as it happened to them in the past. They advertise the board now as having "real phases". It's not out of the question that they took a shortcut elsewhere in order to meet some efficiency expectations or anything else like this. Just because it's high end doesn't mean they won't cut corners or fail to test properly. My ROG motherboard was (at the time) the most expensive motherboard for the socket. Yet it behaved overall worse than many mid/low-end motherboards I owned, an experience shared with other owners of the same board. Even if this is a problem with the CPU that is mitigated by changing parameters of the motherboard it should have been caught during the motherboard design and testing. I can't imagine Gigabyte's engineers noticing this stuff and saying "just ship it like that, nobody will notice". So the best interpretation I can have is that they missed it during testing (the worst is that the marketing department said "we have to put it out there fast, all else be damned", and all else was damned).

clarry 7y ago
> Just because it's high end doesn't mean they won't cut corners or fail to test properly. My ROG motherboard was (at the time) the most expensive motherboard for the socket. High end in consumer stuff, and especially anything gaming related, is basically scam.. look mah, 16000 dpi! And blingy leds! (But no engineering) Sure they might drop an over-specced part somewhere in it but it's just marketing when the rest of the product is crap and still has no proper engineering behind it. It's incredibly frustrating. I think there was a time when you could generally assume that expensive = high end = actually good, but now it's just a cheap thing with crazy markup and a premium part (but nowhere near premium enough to justify the markup) or two somewhere (where it probably doesn't matter much anyway) along with other gimmicks. Now it's just expensive = expensive, good or maybe not.