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https://xubuntu.org https://xubuntu.org, you're welcome. Or use Windows 7 if you have to. Windows 10 is just malware and bloatware built around Windows 7.

dageshi 7y ago
I think win 7 is no longer getting patched/supported, as of January this year.
- Silhouette 7y ago
  The relevant question is whether it's still safer than relying on Windows 10 even so. Windows 10 has had so many problems that the answer to this is not obvious. If you're not connecting your computer directly to any untrusted network and only operate behind a firewall, the security of your applications is likely to be more important for your protection than the security of Windows itself. Of course, Microsoft has engineered the market so that getting any new 7 systems is now intended to be impossible and exerted considerable influence to get people to move to 10, so which is safer is becoming a moot point.
Priem19 7y ago
And don't be fooled into thinking that Windows 7 is less secure because it isn't supported anymore. Windows isn't safe either way, it all depends on in how you use it. Use uBlock Origin to block ads, trackers, and other third party insidious code (preferably use uMatrix as well if you're savvy enough). Enable your firewall. Don't download files from untrustworthy sources, etc. Personally I only do financial transaction on Linux, and don't use a password manager on Windows. I actually only use Windows to play a game sporadically, or to use software that hasn't got an alternative on Linux, which is becoming quite rare.
dontdoitpls 7y ago
I've tried for the nth time 3 years ago to use Linux desktop (Ubuntu). It just takes Soo much effort to get things to work. Netflix and deactivate mouse acceleration(which isn't perfect) to name a few. I love ubuntu server, favorite os of all time. But Linux desktop just isn't anywhere near Windows quality.
- CarelessExpert 7y ago
  Three years ago was pre-18.04, which I've been using very successfully on my personal Lenovo X1C5 for quite a while now. With 20.04 imminent, it might be worth giving it another shot in a VM to see if things have changed. Personally, I used Win10 on my carbon for a while (having previously tried and given up on Linux on a T410) before finally getting tired of the forced reboots, the software auto installs, etc, and giving Ubuntu 18.04 a shot. It isn't perfect (e.g. the fingerprint reader has never worked, and suspend sometimes doesn't work if Bluetooth is turned on) but I was genuinely shocked at how otherwise functional it is out of the box (even the USB C dock works after installing the DisplayLink drivers). Heck, with TLP installed using an out-of-the-box configuration, battery life is better than Windows. It's at the point where I genuinely prefer it to the Win10 X1C5 I have at work.
- wayneftw 7y ago
  Manjaro is better than Ubuntu as a workstation and for developers it's better than Windows in my opinion. I've been trying out Linux desktops for 20 years and it's the only one that got me to switch. I've been on Manjaro now for almost 2 years, doing JavaScript/React/PHP/Ruby/Python work (and some .NET Core with SQL Server!). I use VS Code and Chrome. I listen to music with Spotify. We have Slack. I can remote desktop into Windows machines with FreeRDP. Recently someone said that they thought they would prefer to try Xubuntu because it had more official support so I decided to compare it to Manjaro and try it out on a spare machine. There's really no comparison. Setting up software on Ubuntu is painful, having to find and add keys to various disconnected software repos for every package. After a week, the Ubuntu installation ate itself after an update and wouldn't boot. Meanwhile I have 3 workstations running Manjaro (work desktop, home desktop and personal laptop) and they all run perfectly and installing software is as easy as opening Add/Remove Software utility and finding what I want. Everything is there, even my favorite diff util from Scooter Software - Beyond Compare.

dageshi 7y ago

I think win 7 is no longer getting patched/supported, as of January this year.

Silhouette 7y ago
The relevant question is whether it's still safer than relying on Windows 10 even so. Windows 10 has had so many problems that the answer to this is not obvious. If you're not connecting your computer directly to any untrusted network and only operate behind a firewall, the security of your applications is likely to be more important for your protection than the security of Windows itself. Of course, Microsoft has engineered the market so that getting any new 7 systems is now intended to be impossible and exerted considerable influence to get people to move to 10, so which is safer is becoming a moot point.

Priem19 7y ago

And don't be fooled into thinking that Windows 7 is less secure because it isn't supported anymore. Windows isn't safe either way, it all depends on in how you use it. Use uBlock Origin to block ads, trackers, and other third party insidious code (preferably use uMatrix as well if you're savvy enough). Enable your firewall. Don't download files from untrustworthy sources, etc. Personally I only do financial transaction on Linux, and don't use a password manager on Windows. I actually only use Windows to play a game sporadically, or to use software that hasn't got an alternative on Linux, which is becoming quite rare.

dontdoitpls 7y ago

I've tried for the nth time 3 years ago to use Linux desktop (Ubuntu). It just takes Soo much effort to get things to work. Netflix and deactivate mouse acceleration(which isn't perfect) to name a few. I love ubuntu server, favorite os of all time. But Linux desktop just isn't anywhere near Windows quality.

CarelessExpert 7y ago
Three years ago was pre-18.04, which I've been using very successfully on my personal Lenovo X1C5 for quite a while now. With 20.04 imminent, it might be worth giving it another shot in a VM to see if things have changed. Personally, I used Win10 on my carbon for a while (having previously tried and given up on Linux on a T410) before finally getting tired of the forced reboots, the software auto installs, etc, and giving Ubuntu 18.04 a shot. It isn't perfect (e.g. the fingerprint reader has never worked, and suspend sometimes doesn't work if Bluetooth is turned on) but I was genuinely shocked at how otherwise functional it is out of the box (even the USB C dock works after installing the DisplayLink drivers). Heck, with TLP installed using an out-of-the-box configuration, battery life is better than Windows. It's at the point where I genuinely prefer it to the Win10 X1C5 I have at work.
wayneftw 7y ago
Manjaro is better than Ubuntu as a workstation and for developers it's better than Windows in my opinion. I've been trying out Linux desktops for 20 years and it's the only one that got me to switch. I've been on Manjaro now for almost 2 years, doing JavaScript/React/PHP/Ruby/Python work (and some .NET Core with SQL Server!). I use VS Code and Chrome. I listen to music with Spotify. We have Slack. I can remote desktop into Windows machines with FreeRDP. Recently someone said that they thought they would prefer to try Xubuntu because it had more official support so I decided to compare it to Manjaro and try it out on a spare machine. There's really no comparison. Setting up software on Ubuntu is painful, having to find and add keys to various disconnected software repos for every package. After a week, the Ubuntu installation ate itself after an update and wouldn't boot. Meanwhile I have 3 workstations running Manjaro (work desktop, home desktop and personal laptop) and they all run perfectly and installing software is as easy as opening Add/Remove Software utility and finding what I want. Everything is there, even my favorite diff util from Scooter Software - Beyond Compare.