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Fair warning to anyone picking up Clojure / ClojureScript: it can make you less productive by making your old tools insufferable. It's like taking an automatic

by pgt 7y ago

Fair warning to anyone picking up Clojure / ClojureScript: it can make you less productive by making your old tools insufferable. It's like taking an automatic 2.5L turbo Subaru w/aircon for a spin and then getting back into your 1.3L Toyota Tazz - daily driving won't be as fun again for a while. Lisp "ruined me" for a few years because after trying it I couldn't stand using anything that dit not have macros and Paredit. It's like the saying, "Beware of tasting freedom; it can make you psychologically unemployable." For example, dealing with the abomination that is JSX when I could just write a pure ClojureScript function that returned Hiccup data structures that gets rendered to HTML. And you get isomorphism for free (one codebase on client and server). I initially switched to Clojure for Datomic (the killer app for Clojure, IMO), but now I mainly write ClojureScript and use DataScript (datalog on the client) in every project.

dgb23 7y ago
Datomic really is a killer app in terms of its features, but it doesn’t seem to be targeted at solo/small teams with its pricing and licensing model. Datascript looks interesting. I guess you get disk persistence with event sourcing?
- ithkuil 7y ago
  you can give https://github.com/tonsky/datascript https://github.com/tonsky/datascript and https://github.com/replikativ/datahike https://github.com/replikativ/datahike a spin
- lkschubert8 7y ago
  If you are willing to go with AWS the cloud deployment model's pricing is much more palatable.
- nickik 7y ago
  You can use Datomic for free for up to 2 peers right? That should be enough for a fair number of solo projects.
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  JUXT's Crux database[1] is worth looking at. It's open source and free. It is also an immutable, time-traveling, event-sourced database with a datalog query engine. Datomic is still more fully featured in a lot of ways, but Crux's concept of bitemporality is pretty interesting and something I've been wanting to explore deeper. [1]: https://opencrux.com/ https://opencrux.com/
agumonkey 7y ago
> Fair warning to anyone picking up Clojure / ClojureScript: it can make you less productive by making your old tools insufferable. Surely there was an old lisp quote for this ? same goes with haskell / prolog I suppose
- moomin 7y ago
  Haskell's kind of the winner here, in that people seem to take substantial pay cuts to work in it. (I do not work in it.)
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    Hehe that's a fun thing to read.

by pgt 7y ago

dgb23 7y ago

Datomic really is a killer app in terms of its features, but it doesn’t seem to be targeted at solo/small teams with its pricing and licensing model. Datascript looks interesting. I guess you get disk persistence with event sourcing?

ithkuil 7y ago
you can give https://github.com/tonsky/datascript https://github.com/tonsky/datascript and https://github.com/replikativ/datahike https://github.com/replikativ/datahike a spin
lkschubert8 7y ago
If you are willing to go with AWS the cloud deployment model's pricing is much more palatable.
nickik 7y ago
You can use Datomic for free for up to 2 peers right? That should be enough for a fair number of solo projects.
ilikehurdles 7y ago
JUXT's Crux database[1] is worth looking at. It's open source and free. It is also an immutable, time-traveling, event-sourced database with a datalog query engine. Datomic is still more fully featured in a lot of ways, but Crux's concept of bitemporality is pretty interesting and something I've been wanting to explore deeper. [1]: https://opencrux.com/ https://opencrux.com/

agumonkey 7y ago

> Fair warning to anyone picking up Clojure / ClojureScript: it can make you less productive by making your old tools insufferable. Surely there was an old lisp quote for this ? same goes with haskell / prolog I suppose

moomin 7y ago
Haskell's kind of the winner here, in that people seem to take substantial pay cuts to work in it. (I do not work in it.)
- agumonkey 7y ago
  Hehe that's a fun thing to read.