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This is just effective communication though? I don't understand why your post is phrased so negatively. Some buzzwords have a sort of standardised meaning acro

This is just effective communication though? I don't understand why your post is phrased so negatively. Some buzzwords have a sort of standardised meaning across a company so everyone knows what you're talking about. "We agreed that delighting clients is important and I argue that I can better optimize it by not attending" There is nothing wrong with this? Sure I'd agree customer satisfaction is a much better word for it.

MatekCopatek 7y ago
I disagree, what I would want to say in such a situation is simply "this meeting is useless, let me get back to work", but I would be percieved as a grumpy developer with an attitude. I wouldn't call all the sugarcoating effective communication as I expect everyone in the company to understand that not wasting people's time will let them do more work and benefit the customer in the end.
- kjakm 7y ago
  >> I disagree, what I would want to say in such a situation is simply "this meeting is useless, let me get back to work", but I would be percieved as a grumpy developer with an attitude. Of course you would be. Why does it have to phrased in some extremely positive or negative way? Why not something like "I'm pretty busy working on x. If anything comes up in the meeting that needs my attention let me know afterwards and I'll arrange a time to chat."
  - NoOneNew 7y ago
    Because the person conducting the meeting has already failed miserably at their job and must be made aware. A boss that conducts a useless meeting, knowing it's to hear themselves talk while knowing their subordinates are busy with important tasks that actually keep the company afloat is generally considered, and this is the technical term, a dick maneuver. His/her choice to have a time wasting meeting greatly increases the chances of those employees having to work overtime to accomplish a task on schedule, cutting into their family/personal time. Since most of these types of jobs are salary, there's no overtime pay. So yes, negativity is important in this matter. Why cuddle someone who wants to waste other people's time just to hear themselves speak and have some artificial self-important time?
    - mrmonkeyman 7y ago
      This is full of assumptions and judgement. Of course you are viewed as a grumpy dev. You are one. Own it.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  The personal hosting the meeting thinks it's not useless, so flatly disagreeing without a rationale is useless.
  - amylene 7y ago
    The onus is on the organizer to explain why the meeting will be useful. If they don’t do that upfront, a good culture encourages and supports ICs who ask the organizer for an agenda.

MatekCopatek 7y ago

I disagree, what I would want to say in such a situation is simply "this meeting is useless, let me get back to work", but I would be percieved as a grumpy developer with an attitude. I wouldn't call all the sugarcoating effective communication as I expect everyone in the company to understand that not wasting people's time will let them do more work and benefit the customer in the end.

kjakm 7y ago
>> I disagree, what I would want to say in such a situation is simply "this meeting is useless, let me get back to work", but I would be percieved as a grumpy developer with an attitude. Of course you would be. Why does it have to phrased in some extremely positive or negative way? Why not something like "I'm pretty busy working on x. If anything comes up in the meeting that needs my attention let me know afterwards and I'll arrange a time to chat."
- NoOneNew 7y ago
  Because the person conducting the meeting has already failed miserably at their job and must be made aware. A boss that conducts a useless meeting, knowing it's to hear themselves talk while knowing their subordinates are busy with important tasks that actually keep the company afloat is generally considered, and this is the technical term, a dick maneuver. His/her choice to have a time wasting meeting greatly increases the chances of those employees having to work overtime to accomplish a task on schedule, cutting into their family/personal time. Since most of these types of jobs are salary, there's no overtime pay. So yes, negativity is important in this matter. Why cuddle someone who wants to waste other people's time just to hear themselves speak and have some artificial self-important time?
  - mrmonkeyman 7y ago
    This is full of assumptions and judgement. Of course you are viewed as a grumpy dev. You are one. Own it.
lonelappde 7y ago
The personal hosting the meeting thinks it's not useless, so flatly disagreeing without a rationale is useless.
- amylene 7y ago
  The onus is on the organizer to explain why the meeting will be useful. If they don’t do that upfront, a good culture encourages and supports ICs who ask the organizer for an agenda.