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This article gets confused. A particular example: > Enslaved men and women most often staffed ancient brothels ... like all enslaved persons, their bodies wer

This article gets confused. A particular example: > Enslaved men and women most often staffed ancient brothels ... like all enslaved persons, their bodies were also vulnerable to sexual assault, rape What? If they were enslaved people compelled to engage in sexual services, that was just straight up rape/assault, not vulnerability to rape/assault. An enslaved person can't give consent.

simonh 7y ago
I think they’re just trying to find a way to point out that all enslaved people were vulnerable to this, not just brothel slaves.
ramblerman 7y ago
they had no rights. Hence they were vulnerable to rape. It must be tiring to read everything so trigger happy.
- thulecitizen 7y ago
  It must be difficult to be so unaware of consent. Even more difficult for anyone who comes on your path.
  - ramblerman 7y ago
    The fact your only contribution to the argument is a personal attack reveals more about you. People are discussing the tediousness (and value) of applying specific 'modern' language to a historic piece. Nobody denies that a slave being forced to have sex is being raped.
    - thulecitizen 7y ago
      "It must be tiring to read everything so trigger happy." That's not a personal attack? Hypocrite. Stop being a fool.
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kortilla 7y ago
> An enslaved person can't give consent. Yes they can. Consent means you agree to do something: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent Prisoners are effectively slaves and they frequently consent to have sex with each other.
- peteretep 7y ago
  Legally a prisoner can’t give consent to their captors
  - watwut 7y ago
    That is legal construct to make rape prosecution and corruption prosecution remotely possible. Plus, generally institutions don't want prisoners to have consensual sex or relationships with guards either. To the prisoner having that sex, there is difference between when he/she wants that sex, is willing to barter sex for something and is forced to have sex without wanting it.
watwut 7y ago
> while at the same time being expected to provide emotional services to clients through small talk or writing flattering boasts about them. Like all enslaved persons, their bodies were also vulnerable to sexual assault, rape, beatings and even torture. It makes more sense in context of "emotional services" as "writing flattering boasts" and "beatings and even torture" which are closer to the vulnerability. The paragraph is not only about sex.
thulecitizen 7y ago
I don't understand why your comment is downvoted. It has - at time of me writing this - got 4 people who are trying to 'explain' it away. I guess Silicon Valley has a consent issue, and its' misogyny is coming out in disturbing ways
qubex 7y ago
Of course they can give consent. What you mean is they cannot refuse giving consent when whomever owns them (God, that is even hard to type, it’s so wrong it feels grammatically incorrect!) instructs them to engage in sexual relations with somebody.

simonh 7y ago

I think they’re just trying to find a way to point out that all enslaved people were vulnerable to this, not just brothel slaves.

ramblerman 7y ago

they had no rights. Hence they were vulnerable to rape. It must be tiring to read everything so trigger happy.

thulecitizen 7y ago
It must be difficult to be so unaware of consent. Even more difficult for anyone who comes on your path.
- ramblerman 7y ago
  The fact your only contribution to the argument is a personal attack reveals more about you. People are discussing the tediousness (and value) of applying specific 'modern' language to a historic piece. Nobody denies that a slave being forced to have sex is being raped.
  - thulecitizen 7y ago
    "It must be tiring to read everything so trigger happy." That's not a personal attack? Hypocrite. Stop being a fool.
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kortilla 7y ago

> An enslaved person can't give consent. Yes they can. Consent means you agree to do something: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent Prisoners are effectively slaves and they frequently consent to have sex with each other.

peteretep 7y ago
Legally a prisoner can’t give consent to their captors
- watwut 7y ago
  That is legal construct to make rape prosecution and corruption prosecution remotely possible. Plus, generally institutions don't want prisoners to have consensual sex or relationships with guards either. To the prisoner having that sex, there is difference between when he/she wants that sex, is willing to barter sex for something and is forced to have sex without wanting it.

watwut 7y ago

> while at the same time being expected to provide emotional services to clients through small talk or writing flattering boasts about them. Like all enslaved persons, their bodies were also vulnerable to sexual assault, rape, beatings and even torture. It makes more sense in context of "emotional services" as "writing flattering boasts" and "beatings and even torture" which are closer to the vulnerability. The paragraph is not only about sex.

thulecitizen 7y ago

I don't understand why your comment is downvoted. It has - at time of me writing this - got 4 people who are trying to 'explain' it away. I guess Silicon Valley has a consent issue, and its' misogyny is coming out in disturbing ways

qubex 7y ago

Of course they can give consent. What you mean is they cannot refuse giving consent when whomever owns them (God, that is even hard to type, it’s so wrong it feels grammatically incorrect!) instructs them to engage in sexual relations with somebody.