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Source? When someone says something about mysterious unseen evil activities and Israel it raises my conspiracy theory detector to yellow alert

samstave 7y ago
Snowden is the source. And screw your "conspiracy alert" BS. WTF sort of BS are you implying?? That I am anti-semetic because it is a known, published, leaked, sourced from Snowden that Israel has all your data? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-... Why dont you explain how your "conspiracy theory detector" wouldn't have been triggered had the leak stated the info was shared with Ireland or Iran? Jeasus. Your conspiracy theory detector should be going of for literally SO many other things regarding Israel and technology. What do Stuxnet and/or DUQU say to your sensors? ----------------------------------- EDIT: I am calling 'shill' on this account; @whearyou -- registered in 2015 with one comment, then only another start of comments a few months back, karma of 8, and then an immediate "i feel a conspiraycy" BS comment when the term "israel" is used. Yeah - Shill. You idiots do realize that people who have been on sites for more than a decade can fucking see your lame attemps at narration steering? Fuck off.
- 454545_UUUUUU 7y ago
  I have some friends that are relatively high up the food chain in Israel (private industry, VC, tech). They laugh when Americans argue about Israeli influence in the US. Conspiracy denotes that something is hidden whereas the relationship between the US and Israel is very much out in the open. Americans tend to think of their "old world" ties as having a focus on England and Western Europe, because of history, ancestry and a majority Christian population. But we are very much a Jewish state. Note: I'm not suggesting that Israel surreptitiously controls the US government -- again, that would suggest an effort to conceal cooperation or that the cooperation is one-sided. I kind of get it when people knee jerk about conspiracy and anti-Semitism. The US is facing a lot of systemic problems and it's easy to look for a Bogeyman. Take the obvious one: America is in a forever war that's part foreign policy and part economic necessity. If you think that forever war is driven by Israeli imperialism (or even just the desire to stay alive) you're missing the larger, more important economic picture. America is an arms dealer. War pumps a lot of money into the US at all levels. There's some greed in there of course, but also a whole lot of jobs, car payments, tuition, mortgages and the other prosaic things that keep the economy going. I wish people would stop pretending that they're the first person to notice the US and Israel are allies. Or, on the other side, that talking about it should be verboten.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > Conspiracy denotes that something is hidden No it doesn't (at least not to me or the dictionary). Conspiracy denotes two or more people planning with each other to commit illegal, wrongful, or subversive acts. Whether or not it's hidden doesn't enter into it.
    - deleted 7y ago
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  - lowdose 7y ago
    A lot of people are talking about a state of apartheid in Israel, lets not throw every theory in the corner of anti-Semitism. And to be crystal clear I'm saying this from a POV coming from Jewish heritage.
- azernik 7y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data."
  - samstave 7y ago
    NOPE. You are defending this BS as well.
  - samstave 7y ago
    Israel shills. Got it.
    - dependenttypes 7y ago
      Is asking for a link to the source shilling now?
      - samstave 7y ago
        No, the asking for. Link was fine, as i stated in my op, i was going to find a source... It was the “when israel gets called out” bullshit - and then looking at their post history. Thats a shill account 100%
        whearyou 7y ago
        Do you have a link that speaks to the original comment or not?
StanislavPetrov 7y ago
https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2013-sep-11-la-fg-wn-nsa-intelligence-israel-edward-snowden-leak-20130911-story.html https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2013-sep-11-la-fg-wn-ns...

samstave 7y ago

Snowden is the source. And screw your "conspiracy alert" BS. WTF sort of BS are you implying?? That I am anti-semetic because it is a known, published, leaked, sourced from Snowden that Israel has all your data? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-... Why dont you explain how your "conspiracy theory detector" wouldn't have been triggered had the leak stated the info was shared with Ireland or Iran? Jeasus. Your conspiracy theory detector should be going of for literally SO many other things regarding Israel and technology. What do Stuxnet and/or DUQU say to your sensors? ----------------------------------- EDIT: I am calling 'shill' on this account; @whearyou -- registered in 2015 with one comment, then only another start of comments a few months back, karma of 8, and then an immediate "i feel a conspiraycy" BS comment when the term "israel" is used. Yeah - Shill. You idiots do realize that people who have been on sites for more than a decade can fucking see your lame attemps at narration steering? Fuck off.

454545_UUUUUU 7y ago
I have some friends that are relatively high up the food chain in Israel (private industry, VC, tech). They laugh when Americans argue about Israeli influence in the US. Conspiracy denotes that something is hidden whereas the relationship between the US and Israel is very much out in the open. Americans tend to think of their "old world" ties as having a focus on England and Western Europe, because of history, ancestry and a majority Christian population. But we are very much a Jewish state. Note: I'm not suggesting that Israel surreptitiously controls the US government -- again, that would suggest an effort to conceal cooperation or that the cooperation is one-sided. I kind of get it when people knee jerk about conspiracy and anti-Semitism. The US is facing a lot of systemic problems and it's easy to look for a Bogeyman. Take the obvious one: America is in a forever war that's part foreign policy and part economic necessity. If you think that forever war is driven by Israeli imperialism (or even just the desire to stay alive) you're missing the larger, more important economic picture. America is an arms dealer. War pumps a lot of money into the US at all levels. There's some greed in there of course, but also a whole lot of jobs, car payments, tuition, mortgages and the other prosaic things that keep the economy going. I wish people would stop pretending that they're the first person to notice the US and Israel are allies. Or, on the other side, that talking about it should be verboten.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > Conspiracy denotes that something is hidden No it doesn't (at least not to me or the dictionary). Conspiracy denotes two or more people planning with each other to commit illegal, wrongful, or subversive acts. Whether or not it's hidden doesn't enter into it.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- lowdose 7y ago
  A lot of people are talking about a state of apartheid in Israel, lets not throw every theory in the corner of anti-Semitism. And to be crystal clear I'm saying this from a POV coming from Jewish heritage.
azernik 7y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data."
- samstave 7y ago
  NOPE. You are defending this BS as well.
- samstave 7y ago
  Israel shills. Got it.
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    Is asking for a link to the source shilling now?
    - samstave 7y ago
      No, the asking for. Link was fine, as i stated in my op, i was going to find a source... It was the “when israel gets called out” bullshit - and then looking at their post history. Thats a shill account 100%
      - whearyou 7y ago
        Do you have a link that speaks to the original comment or not?

StanislavPetrov 7y ago

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2013-sep-11-la-fg-wn-nsa-intelligence-israel-edward-snowden-leak-20130911-story.html https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2013-sep-11-la-fg-wn-ns...