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I never buy these stories. Why is it that an 18 year old high school student has trouble getting up and off to school by 7:30/ 8:00 am, but an 18 year old mari

by pneill 7y ago

I never buy these stories. Why is it that an 18 year old high school student has trouble getting up and off to school by 7:30/ 8:00 am, but an 18 year old marine has no problems getting up at 4:30 am?

brlewis 7y ago
> an 18 year old marine has no problems getting up at 4:30 Define "no problems" Also, most high school students are under 18.
lukifer 7y ago
Self-selection? I imagine those are biologically wired for a late-night chronotype either don't join the Marines, or wash out relatively quickly.
- umvi 7y ago
  Or maybe the more structured environment of the military enforces early bedtimes vs. lax family life where parents zone out on smartphones while their kids are left to their own devices (pun intended) to enforce their own bedtimes.
  - pneill 7y ago
    Correct. It’s all discipline. When the school has late start, do the kids go to bed at the same time and get more rest? Nope. They stay up later.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      You sign up voluntarily for the military in my lifetime. No so much for school. People tend to submit more readily when they aren't being compelled to do something. Even if they don't end up liking it, there's a tendency to act in accordance with a choice you made.
- acidtoyman 7y ago
  There shouldn't be any self-selection if these people don't exist. We're being told that "adolescents" all require sleeping late, thus school should start later for all students.
- DoreenMichele 7y ago
  My ex was a night owl. He never stopped being a night owl in twenty-two years of military service. Most people are night owls. So I imagine he's not the only one who was a night owl and had a successful military career. My father was a morning person and spent 26.5 years in the army. At one point, they had him working in the kitchen because you had to be there at 2am to have breakfast ready by 5am or whatever and most soldiers could not cope with it. I think he did that for something like a year.

by pneill 7y ago

brlewis 7y ago

> an 18 year old marine has no problems getting up at 4:30 Define "no problems" Also, most high school students are under 18.

lukifer 7y ago

Self-selection? I imagine those are biologically wired for a late-night chronotype either don't join the Marines, or wash out relatively quickly.

umvi 7y ago
Or maybe the more structured environment of the military enforces early bedtimes vs. lax family life where parents zone out on smartphones while their kids are left to their own devices (pun intended) to enforce their own bedtimes.
- pneill 7y ago
  Correct. It’s all discipline. When the school has late start, do the kids go to bed at the same time and get more rest? Nope. They stay up later.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    You sign up voluntarily for the military in my lifetime. No so much for school. People tend to submit more readily when they aren't being compelled to do something. Even if they don't end up liking it, there's a tendency to act in accordance with a choice you made.
acidtoyman 7y ago
There shouldn't be any self-selection if these people don't exist. We're being told that "adolescents" all require sleeping late, thus school should start later for all students.
DoreenMichele 7y ago
My ex was a night owl. He never stopped being a night owl in twenty-two years of military service. Most people are night owls. So I imagine he's not the only one who was a night owl and had a successful military career. My father was a morning person and spent 26.5 years in the army. At one point, they had him working in the kitchen because you had to be there at 2am to have breakfast ready by 5am or whatever and most soldiers could not cope with it. I think he did that for something like a year.