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Except that ... Benghazi was an error, no corruption ; the IRS did not target conservative groups, Obamacare did not mandate you change doctors in any way .. N

by okaram 7y ago

Except that ... Benghazi was an error, no corruption ; the IRS did not target conservative groups, Obamacare did not mandate you change doctors in any way .. Normally I assume it is stupidity rather than malice, but now ...

eldude 7y ago
Casually state talking points as fact without citation. Proceed to call the commenter stupid and malicious. Projection perhaps?
- kelnos 7y ago
  I mean, "casually state talking points as fact without citation" is exactly what the original commenter did, so I don't see why the responder should be held to a higher standard. There's a reason why we don't like political topics on HN, and this thread is proof.
  - eldude 7y ago
    Agreed. What led me to make my comment was more the name calling (“stupid” & “malicious”).
- kick 7y ago
  More commonly known as Hitchen's Razor, Quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur never ceases to be true in these situations.
chrisco255 7y ago
"IRS Apologizes For Aggressive Scrutiny Of Conservative Groups" https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-... Clinton blamed Benghazi on a YouTube Video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWTQ9AzwEk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWTQ9AzwEk
blackflame7000 7y ago
>>IRS did not target conservative groups Then why did lois lerner plead the 5th?
- paulmd 7y ago
  Because there was absolutely nothing to be gained from testifying. Conservatives were going to go after her regardless of what she said, so why talk at all? It's the ultimate "don't talk to cops", nothing you can say can ever help you and everything you say can hurt you, except Congressional Republicans don't even have to adhere to the very low standards that cops do. They can literally just say whatever, so there is flatly no upside in talking to them at all.
  - blackflame7000 7y ago
    Pretty Ironic that this is the excuse you’re going with after all the times your party lambasted Trump for doing similar things. Your belief in the ends justifying the means is the root of all your hypocrisy. People are sick of hearing why it’s ok for you but not for them. You will lose badly this year as a result. For god sakes you have Bloomberg running after half your party was just outside occupying wall street no less than 3 years ago.
    - saghm 7y ago
      > For god sakes you have Bloomberg running after half your party was just outside occupying wall street no less than 3 years ago. Independent of all the other points under discussion, I'm not sure how this is a fair a critique? It's not like there's a vote to decide who gets to run in a primary; the whole point of a primary is to vote to see who gets to run, and that isn't anywhere near being decided yet. If five months from now he gets nominated, that's another story, but there's not much evidence to suggest that will be the case.
      - blackflame7000 7y ago
        It's a fair critique when he went from 4% to 19% in two weeks after spending 400 million on TV ads. I mean we all know the DNC will choose whomever they want because of their superdelegates, but don't act like democrats aren't starting to view him as their best option. You aren't the victim of division, you are the creator of it.
duckMuppet 7y ago
Well if we're playing loose with language and all: - the IRS didn't target conservative groups specifically, they just chose to stand down the audits on billionaires and add extra auditing of groups with particular keywords in their name, keywords such as; tea, party, people, patriot, country, or 9/12 to name a few. These tax exempt or applied for exempt status groups were likely funneling money and investigation was needed. Results inconclusive. - Affordable care act mandated that you could keep your doctor. And you could. You just might not have been able to keep or afford to keep your health care plan. So it's really the fault of the people who didn't keep or couldn't afford to keep their plan, giving the ACA a bad rep. And my personal favorite, - Hillary may Have ordered action taken on contractors and other actors when she released sensitive documents about certain employees from her private server. I normally attribute such things to malice, but I've learned to never underestimate the gullibility of people who listen to MSNBC, CNN and occasionally FOX.

by okaram 7y ago

eldude 7y ago

Casually state talking points as fact without citation. Proceed to call the commenter stupid and malicious. Projection perhaps?

kelnos 7y ago
I mean, "casually state talking points as fact without citation" is exactly what the original commenter did, so I don't see why the responder should be held to a higher standard. There's a reason why we don't like political topics on HN, and this thread is proof.
- eldude 7y ago
  Agreed. What led me to make my comment was more the name calling (“stupid” & “malicious”).
kick 7y ago
More commonly known as Hitchen's Razor, Quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur never ceases to be true in these situations.

chrisco255 7y ago

"IRS Apologizes For Aggressive Scrutiny Of Conservative Groups" https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-... Clinton blamed Benghazi on a YouTube Video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWTQ9AzwEk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWTQ9AzwEk

blackflame7000 7y ago

>>IRS did not target conservative groups Then why did lois lerner plead the 5th?

paulmd 7y ago
Because there was absolutely nothing to be gained from testifying. Conservatives were going to go after her regardless of what she said, so why talk at all? It's the ultimate "don't talk to cops", nothing you can say can ever help you and everything you say can hurt you, except Congressional Republicans don't even have to adhere to the very low standards that cops do. They can literally just say whatever, so there is flatly no upside in talking to them at all.
- blackflame7000 7y ago
  Pretty Ironic that this is the excuse you’re going with after all the times your party lambasted Trump for doing similar things. Your belief in the ends justifying the means is the root of all your hypocrisy. People are sick of hearing why it’s ok for you but not for them. You will lose badly this year as a result. For god sakes you have Bloomberg running after half your party was just outside occupying wall street no less than 3 years ago.
  - saghm 7y ago
    > For god sakes you have Bloomberg running after half your party was just outside occupying wall street no less than 3 years ago. Independent of all the other points under discussion, I'm not sure how this is a fair a critique? It's not like there's a vote to decide who gets to run in a primary; the whole point of a primary is to vote to see who gets to run, and that isn't anywhere near being decided yet. If five months from now he gets nominated, that's another story, but there's not much evidence to suggest that will be the case.
    - blackflame7000 7y ago
      It's a fair critique when he went from 4% to 19% in two weeks after spending 400 million on TV ads. I mean we all know the DNC will choose whomever they want because of their superdelegates, but don't act like democrats aren't starting to view him as their best option. You aren't the victim of division, you are the creator of it.

duckMuppet 7y ago

Well if we're playing loose with language and all: - the IRS didn't target conservative groups specifically, they just chose to stand down the audits on billionaires and add extra auditing of groups with particular keywords in their name, keywords such as; tea, party, people, patriot, country, or 9/12 to name a few. These tax exempt or applied for exempt status groups were likely funneling money and investigation was needed. Results inconclusive. - Affordable care act mandated that you could keep your doctor. And you could. You just might not have been able to keep or afford to keep your health care plan. So it's really the fault of the people who didn't keep or couldn't afford to keep their plan, giving the ACA a bad rep. And my personal favorite, - Hillary may Have ordered action taken on contractors and other actors when she released sensitive documents about certain employees from her private server. I normally attribute such things to malice, but I've learned to never underestimate the gullibility of people who listen to MSNBC, CNN and occasionally FOX.