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Ask HN: Monetize side project without registering a business?
I have a side project (SaaS) that I want to monetize, but I do not want to go through the hassle of setting up a business without knowing if the project is going to make decent money.
I would love to launch my project and wait (let's say 3 months) to see if it can actually make money. If it actually does, then I will register a business for it, otherwise, I would just shut it down.
Question is: is it legal to sell online services this way? Would you, as a potential customer, trust it? I'm based in Europe.
- brudgers 7y agolegal to sell online services this way? That is a question for a lawyer. Laws vary significantly between jurisdictions. These include tax laws as well as registration laws. If it is not worth paying a lawyer, it might not be worth pursuing as a business. Good luck.
- dirktheman 7y agoIn The Netherlands you can, as long as you comply with a number of rules (hours worked per year, number of clients, turnover). You have to send invoices, but can't charge VAT since you're not a business but a private person. I'd check with your local Tax Service first, though. As for your customers: are you selling B2B or B2C? For B2C I wouldn't really care (in fact, there are a number of paid apps that I use that were made by private persons!). For B2C it could be a problem because your clients won't be able to deduct the VAT.
- rahimnathwani 7y agoThe page below suggests that, in the Netherlands: 1. Anyone who wants to do business must either register as a sole trader (eenmanszaak), or set up a company or cooperative. So it seems you have to register something. 2. Not only can sole traders register for VAT, but this registration happens automatically within 2 weeks of you registering as a sole trader. https://business.gov.nl/starting-your-business/choosing-a-business-structure/sole-trader-or-sole-proprietorship-in-the-netherlands/ https://business.gov.nl/starting-your-business/choosing-a-bu...
- caseyscottmckay 7y agoIt depends on the jurisdiction. In the US, you can run a business as a sole proprietor.[1] [1]https://www.sba.gov/content/sole-proprietorship https://www.sba.gov/content/sole-proprietorship.
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- cosmie 7y agoAs others have said, it's different between jurisdictions. In the US it's legal, and is considered operating as a sole proprietor. But in doing so, there's no separation between you and the business, and you (and your personal assets) are 100% on the hook for any legal or liability issues that come up. For that reason alone, I set up an LLC and route all consulting/moonlighting work and side projects through that LLC. The hassle and business licensing costs worked out as far cheaper than operating as a sole proprietor and getting the necessary insurance coverages to comfortably cover myself. Although it depends on what your SaaS is, you may want to at least checkout a professional indemnity insurance policy[1]. [1] https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/insurance/faq/what-is-professional-indemnity-insurance/ https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/insurance/faq/what-is-profe...
- fyp 7y agoShould also search HN for "piercing the corporate veil" to see the numerous past discussions on the caveats. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=llc%20pierc%20corporate%20veil&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- goalexboxer 7y agoIsnt it possible to use a virtual company like Xolo at the beginning?
- newusertoday 7y agoi second this you can also use reseller services like paddle which will take care of all the payment and taxation related to payment for you while you can remain "solo proprietor".
- mtmail 7y agoIn Germany you'd need to license as sole trader ("Gewerbeschein") costing about 25 Euro, depends on city/county. You're still an individual and keep your personal tax number, but now indicated you plan to make money besides being employed. Same procedure if you want to do freelancing. Or write newspaper articles for money. Or anything that generated income. So if you're a freelancer it would be already covered. Any accountant can walk you through the steps. Invoices will carry your name and home address. You're fully liable with your money. Starting a limited business is separate. Then you need a separate bank account, register with the tax office, get a separate tax id. Depending on type of business you might need to bring in money (25.000 Euro for a German GmbH) or you need two founders. Year end taxes are more complex. Disolving a company is a pain. VAT is also separate. Freelancers in Germany for example are exempt until 17.000 Euro, the limit is even higher in the UK. So legally you probably need to register. Since you're already fully liable even when registered some people delay it, even months and then backdate. Not ideal but afaik there's no fine. I delayed by 5-6 months, tax office didn't care. Individual customers won't notice, when is the last time you looked at the imprint of a website? (I do, but I might be the exception). B2B customers probably care. And larger account will already wonder "will this website still be online in 6 months" regardless.
- p0d 7y agoYes, been doing it for years. Just pay taxes on the extra money you make and all will be good.