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It's nice as a research part. But more people die because of human error and drunk drivers every day. I have yet to see someone die because of the illegal and

It's nice as a research part. But more people die because of human error and drunk drivers every day. I have yet to see someone die because of the illegal and "labor intensive" situation they created in this "research". > Would you feel better if you died due to someone breaking the law? I can respond that back, but then with problems that are factual ( drinking and driving). Not fictional or harder to execute do it in practice ( this research)

kelnos 7y ago
I think the issue isn't always entirely rational. Even if self-driving cars could have a better accident record than humans by several orders of magnitude, incidents would still cause humans to react poorly -- "if I were in control that wouldn't have happened" -- even if it would have. Altering a speed limit sign may not be legal, but if it's done in a way that wouldn't fool a human, but would fool a self-driving system, that's just a way that a self-driving system could be unsafe that a human driver wouldn't, and people will react negatively toward the self-driving system. That's just human nature, even if it's not logical. Regardless, we need to be aware of these possible "exploits" on self-driving systems. Sure, no one would bother altering a speed limit sign to cause crashes, because human drivers have context and common sense that would make that mostly ineffective. But if it were known that some popular self-driving systems could be fooled by that, I'd expect to see this happen more often, perpetrated by people who would probably otherwise try to hurt people in other ways. It's not a "new idea" in the context of driving in general, but it's a new -- and potentially very effective -- idea to dangerously mess with self-driving systems.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  I'm pretty sure it's futile. If selve driving vehicles become popular. The exploiter would have been recorded somewhere, identified and put to trial. Story would go viral and the cat and mouse game continues. No one is going to risk jail for letting cars drive 80 miles per hour, until the next road sign. This is a stupid exploit.

kelnos 7y ago

I think the issue isn't always entirely rational. Even if self-driving cars could have a better accident record than humans by several orders of magnitude, incidents would still cause humans to react poorly -- "if I were in control that wouldn't have happened" -- even if it would have. Altering a speed limit sign may not be legal, but if it's done in a way that wouldn't fool a human, but would fool a self-driving system, that's just a way that a self-driving system could be unsafe that a human driver wouldn't, and people will react negatively toward the self-driving system. That's just human nature, even if it's not logical. Regardless, we need to be aware of these possible "exploits" on self-driving systems. Sure, no one would bother altering a speed limit sign to cause crashes, because human drivers have context and common sense that would make that mostly ineffective. But if it were known that some popular self-driving systems could be fooled by that, I'd expect to see this happen more often, perpetrated by people who would probably otherwise try to hurt people in other ways. It's not a "new idea" in the context of driving in general, but it's a new -- and potentially very effective -- idea to dangerously mess with self-driving systems.

NicoJuicy 7y ago
I'm pretty sure it's futile. If selve driving vehicles become popular. The exploiter would have been recorded somewhere, identified and put to trial. Story would go viral and the cat and mouse game continues. No one is going to risk jail for letting cars drive 80 miles per hour, until the next road sign. This is a stupid exploit.