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Ah, yes. We made it, indeed, a full circle. Quite sad, if you think about it…

• spitfire 16y ago
  I love it. We're done with the "ZOMG WEB!" thing. You don't have to lay out your GUI's with a markup language designed for typography - The modern VT100. You don't have to keep state with a stateless protocol. Now you get a nice (mostly) standardized interface and you get to build a lighting fast native GUI for your app. I can't wait to see what people cook up over the next five years. Particularly with the trend towards tablet computers.
  • johnzabroski 16y ago
    RE: You don't have to lay out your GUI's with a markup language designed for typography - The modern VT100. Are you referring to HTML and CSS? RE: You don't have to keep state with a stateless protocol. You are referring to HTTP. RE: Now you get a nice (mostly) standardized interface and you get to build a lighting fast native GUI for your app. What are you referring to?
  • deno 16y ago
    It's good online programming becomes sane again. I see you're actually eager to make a full leap from 'WEB' to native apps. I don't disagree, but I think REST+DOM/JS will still have its place there. A lightweight alternative to full-blown applications, interactive documents that load in the blink of an eye and transparently integrate with your ecosystem. I guess it's what web was supposed to be in the first place, but with some added zing.
    • johnzabroski 16y ago
      If by 'REST+DOM/JS' you mean "Random Bad, Hodge-Podge Code Filled with Callbacks and pervasive use of global variables", then yes, bad programming will always have a place - for PHP programmers. Most really awesome apps being written these days, that use HTML, are using the CANVAS tag and doing stuff like building terrain maps of buildings and showing people holding 4.5" smart phones where in the building druglords are. Crazy stuff like that.
    • spitfire 16y ago
      Actually I never did web apps. I keep looking at it and just cringing. I'd be alcoholic if I had to suffer web programming, knowing that the pain is self inflicted. Still I am jealous of the numerical advantage the web gives people. The iphone/ipad ended that though.
  • dasil003 16y ago
    Right, all you have to do is choose between a number of incompatible GUI platforms which are not standardized and all of which have an uncertain future, including the possibility of eventually be swallowed up by HTML/CSS/JS whose progress and growth is inexorable due to its openness and ubiquity. Good luck!
• johnzabroski 16y ago
  Do you know what ODBC is, and why most smart programmers dislike it and try to stomp out its stupidity? The model for writing drivers, and plugging in drivers, in ODBC, is R. E. T. A. R. D. E. D. Edit: I forgot to mention that using the drivers suck, too. The ODBC transaction interface is basically RPC, and is becoming out-moded with recent language research on remote batch execution. Usually, you have a custom transport protocol for client/server, like the Microsoft SQL Server Tabular Data Stream protocol. It is ultimately not very extensible. Imagine something like LINQ today. Would be nice to just send that expression tree to SQL Server, and not have a client-side or middle-tier ORM tool have to transform the tree into SQL.
  • deno 16y ago
    Sorry I don't know how ODBC works in detail (I know what it is)… and I think you have commented on wrong post?
    • johnzabroski 16y ago
      You were agreeing that we full circle with from ODBC to REST. I am saying you don't seem to have understood the commenter's sarcasm.