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For a long time, everyone said saturated fats and meat fats were a one way ticket to heart disease. Vegetable fats took over and it’ll take a while for anything

by fiblye 7y ago

For a long time, everyone said saturated fats and meat fats were a one way ticket to heart disease. Vegetable fats took over and it’ll take a while for anything to change.

wahern 7y ago
Trans fats are the real killer and bans are already in effect around the world. The FDA banned trans fats in the U.S. as of June 2019: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/final-determination-regarding-partially-hydrogenated-oils-removing-trans-fat https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/final-dete... That seemed to happen rather quickly, at least once the evidence became overwhelming. The FDA was only a few years behind major cities like San Francisco, though some European countries were way ahead of the curve. Red meat and dairy have significant amounts of trans fats. You're still probably better off with vegetable fats if you can help it, at least where partially hydrogenated oils are banned.
- teslabox 7y ago
  > Red meat and dairy have significant amounts of trans fats. Natural trans fats [1] are made by bacteria in the rumen, and are rather different than manufactured trans fats created from seed oils with hydrogen gas and catalysts. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid - "The biological activity of CLA was noted by researchers in 1979 who found it to inhibit chemically induced cancer in mice [...] In 2008, the United States Food and Drug Administration categorized CLA as generally recognized as safe (GRAS)." > You're still probably better off with vegetable fats if you can help it, at least where partially hydrogenated oils are banned. Most polyunsaturated oils are deodorized ("refined"), so customers don't realize they're eating rancid oil. I bought unrefined grape seed oil years ago. Didn't know what to do with the obviously-rancid oil. Now I would give it to my father, so he could use it to help start his barbecue's charcoal.
- otabdeveloper4 7y ago
  Worrying about trans fats and heart disease when over half of your population is so obese it's impairing their ability to walk seems insane. Then again, trans fats isn't the addictive high-margin industrial product... :(
  - wahern 7y ago
    Trans fats are similar to smoking in that they directly contribute to arteriosclerosis. Like smoking, obesity is a secondary concern. No doctor would tell you to keep smoking to stay trim; likewise, I doubt any doctor or scientist would suggest a diet heavy in trans fats (e.g. margarine) if for some reason such consumption would keep you trim.
    - otabdeveloper4 7y ago
      I'm saying that banning addictive sugary food be a thousand times more effective w.r.t public health than banning trans fats. Making a big show of banning one while letting the other run wild is very bad optics. (Then again, I'm not sure how we might even go about curtailing sugars, they're just way too embedded in our culture.)
      - wahern 7y ago
        > I'm saying that banning addictive sugary food be a thousand times more effective w.r.t public health than banning trans fats. I get that, but I don't think the empirical science supports a claim that sugar is more costly than trans fats from a public health perspective; and certainly not that it's 1000x worse. In any event, the effects of sugar are indirect and complex. For example, AFAIU a high sugar but low calorie diet isn't particularly bad for you. By contrast, trans fats have a simple, clear, and substantial causal relation to arteriosclerosis. 50 years of prescribing partially hydrogenated oils and low-fat foods was based on poor, incomplete, and sloppy science. Going forward maybe we should instead base public policy on sound, concrete, reproducible science and straight-forward regulations. Not everything needs to be fixed with government mandates, and usually shouldn't without clear reasons.

by fiblye 7y ago

For a long time, everyone said saturated fats and meat fats were a one way ticket to heart disease. Vegetable fats took over and it’ll take a while for anything to change.

wahern 7y ago

Trans fats are the real killer and bans are already in effect around the world. The FDA banned trans fats in the U.S. as of June 2019: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/final-determination-regarding-partially-hydrogenated-oils-removing-trans-fat https://www.fda.gov/food/food-additives-petitions/final-dete... That seemed to happen rather quickly, at least once the evidence became overwhelming. The FDA was only a few years behind major cities like San Francisco, though some European countries were way ahead of the curve. Red meat and dairy have significant amounts of trans fats. You're still probably better off with vegetable fats if you can help it, at least where partially hydrogenated oils are banned.

teslabox 7y ago
> Red meat and dairy have significant amounts of trans fats. Natural trans fats [1] are made by bacteria in the rumen, and are rather different than manufactured trans fats created from seed oils with hydrogen gas and catalysts. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid - "The biological activity of CLA was noted by researchers in 1979 who found it to inhibit chemically induced cancer in mice [...] In 2008, the United States Food and Drug Administration categorized CLA as generally recognized as safe (GRAS)." > You're still probably better off with vegetable fats if you can help it, at least where partially hydrogenated oils are banned. Most polyunsaturated oils are deodorized ("refined"), so customers don't realize they're eating rancid oil. I bought unrefined grape seed oil years ago. Didn't know what to do with the obviously-rancid oil. Now I would give it to my father, so he could use it to help start his barbecue's charcoal.
otabdeveloper4 7y ago
Worrying about trans fats and heart disease when over half of your population is so obese it's impairing their ability to walk seems insane. Then again, trans fats isn't the addictive high-margin industrial product... :(
- wahern 7y ago
  Trans fats are similar to smoking in that they directly contribute to arteriosclerosis. Like smoking, obesity is a secondary concern. No doctor would tell you to keep smoking to stay trim; likewise, I doubt any doctor or scientist would suggest a diet heavy in trans fats (e.g. margarine) if for some reason such consumption would keep you trim.
  - otabdeveloper4 7y ago
    I'm saying that banning addictive sugary food be a thousand times more effective w.r.t public health than banning trans fats. Making a big show of banning one while letting the other run wild is very bad optics. (Then again, I'm not sure how we might even go about curtailing sugars, they're just way too embedded in our culture.)
    - wahern 7y ago
      > I'm saying that banning addictive sugary food be a thousand times more effective w.r.t public health than banning trans fats. I get that, but I don't think the empirical science supports a claim that sugar is more costly than trans fats from a public health perspective; and certainly not that it's 1000x worse. In any event, the effects of sugar are indirect and complex. For example, AFAIU a high sugar but low calorie diet isn't particularly bad for you. By contrast, trans fats have a simple, clear, and substantial causal relation to arteriosclerosis. 50 years of prescribing partially hydrogenated oils and low-fat foods was based on poor, incomplete, and sloppy science. Going forward maybe we should instead base public policy on sound, concrete, reproducible science and straight-forward regulations. Not everything needs to be fixed with government mandates, and usually shouldn't without clear reasons.