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I'd respect the hell out of Bloomberg if he came out and said "damn right I'm buying this election...because the rules are that messed up" followed by a compreh

by zelias 7y ago

I'd respect the hell out of Bloomberg if he came out and said "damn right I'm buying this election...because the rules are that messed up" followed by a comprehensive plan to forever get money out of our elections.

omegaworks 7y ago
I respect the guy that's said that very thing since he started running. Bernie is proving that we can win without corporate PAC money and he has a plan to get dark money out of politics.
- zelias 7y ago
  I'm with you there, no doubt, but lately I've wondered how effectively Bernie could accomplish this. Only Nixon could go to China, as the saying goes. EDIT: I don't mean this in terms of electability -- I think Bernie can beat Trump hands down. What I mean is accomplishing what he sets out to do in terms of policy implementation -- which, as the Obama years have shown us, is not as easy as it sounds.
  - omegaworks 7y ago
    Won in New Hampshire Tied in Iowa, won popular vote Polling strong in Nevada. The momentum is there. EDIT: Regarding policy, with so many Supreme Court Justices up in age, the next President will likely get the chance to set the tone. Citizens United is the ruling that enabled much of the financial influence in the government, and Bernie is committed to dismantling it.
    - arrosenberg 7y ago
      > Regarding policy, with so many Supreme Court Justices up in age, the next President will likely get the chance to set the tone. Terrible strategy. Bernie replacing Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer isn't going to advance the agenda. Clarence Thomas is only 71 and won't step down if a Democrat is president. The only way Bernie passes his agenda is by getting significant portions of the country to strike until Congress complies.
      - omegaworks 7y ago
        With the support of so many unions[1] and willingness to use that support to push his agenda [unlike his predecessor 2], that might actually be a card in his pocket. 1. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/bernie-sanders-labor-103136 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/bernie-sanders-labo... 2. https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-inside-fall-grassroots-machine https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-insi...
        arrosenberg 7y ago
        That's been my assumption for months based on his "organizer-in-chief" comments. I don't see any other practical way for him to get his agenda passed.
  - gremlinsinc 7y ago
    Ask Mike Bloomberg how he thinks Bernie would do against Trump. https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1225440451152547840 https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1225440451152547840
  - rapind 7y ago
    I suspect he'll continue to campaign and rally in various states where there is resistance to his goals (one could argue the people's goals), making it very costly to oppose him if you're not on solid footing. Pretty much what Trump did to Republican resistance, but doubtfully as amazingly successful as it's been for Trump. Something of note that Obama did is turn over an enormous movement to the DNC when he assumed office. Not sure anyone knows why except insiders, but it was definitely his biggest mistake, and neutered his clout. (https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-inside-fall-grassroots-machine https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-insi...). No chance Bernie will do that. Bernie's answer to your question would probably be "I can't, but together we can." As cheesy as it sounds, it's true.
burtonator 7y ago
Why would he want to change the rules? They've spent so long trying to bend them for their own advantage.
scollet 7y ago
I feel like I'm missing the sarcasm here.
three_seagrass 7y ago
Bloomberg already is. He's pointing to the impact his $400M political donations have made, like getting women elected, stopping homelessness, youth education, etc. whenever asked. This $2,500/mo for influencers is a drop in the bucket.
ep103 7y ago
There is a candidate saying the rules are messed up, but its not Bloomberg, its Sanders. Bloomberg is the guy the rules were written to benefit. He doesn't want them changed. That's why he chose to run against Sanders, when it appeared Sanders could win.
- remmargorp64 7y ago
  Exactly. Bernie is the only candidate I know of who is a fan of getting the big money out of politics and has been fighting on that platform for years: https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-out-of-politics/ https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-out-of-politics/

by zelias 7y ago

omegaworks 7y ago

I respect the guy that's said that very thing since he started running. Bernie is proving that we can win without corporate PAC money and he has a plan to get dark money out of politics.

zelias 7y ago
I'm with you there, no doubt, but lately I've wondered how effectively Bernie could accomplish this. Only Nixon could go to China, as the saying goes. EDIT: I don't mean this in terms of electability -- I think Bernie can beat Trump hands down. What I mean is accomplishing what he sets out to do in terms of policy implementation -- which, as the Obama years have shown us, is not as easy as it sounds.
- omegaworks 7y ago
  Won in New Hampshire Tied in Iowa, won popular vote Polling strong in Nevada. The momentum is there. EDIT: Regarding policy, with so many Supreme Court Justices up in age, the next President will likely get the chance to set the tone. Citizens United is the ruling that enabled much of the financial influence in the government, and Bernie is committed to dismantling it.
  - arrosenberg 7y ago
    > Regarding policy, with so many Supreme Court Justices up in age, the next President will likely get the chance to set the tone. Terrible strategy. Bernie replacing Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer isn't going to advance the agenda. Clarence Thomas is only 71 and won't step down if a Democrat is president. The only way Bernie passes his agenda is by getting significant portions of the country to strike until Congress complies.
    - omegaworks 7y ago
      With the support of so many unions[1] and willingness to use that support to push his agenda [unlike his predecessor 2], that might actually be a card in his pocket. 1. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/bernie-sanders-labor-103136 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/bernie-sanders-labo... 2. https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-inside-fall-grassroots-machine https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-insi...
      - arrosenberg 7y ago
        That's been my assumption for months based on his "organizer-in-chief" comments. I don't see any other practical way for him to get his agenda passed.
- gremlinsinc 7y ago
  Ask Mike Bloomberg how he thinks Bernie would do against Trump. https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1225440451152547840 https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1225440451152547840
- rapind 7y ago
  I suspect he'll continue to campaign and rally in various states where there is resistance to his goals (one could argue the people's goals), making it very costly to oppose him if you're not on solid footing. Pretty much what Trump did to Republican resistance, but doubtfully as amazingly successful as it's been for Trump. Something of note that Obama did is turn over an enormous movement to the DNC when he assumed office. Not sure anyone knows why except insiders, but it was definitely his biggest mistake, and neutered his clout. (https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-inside-fall-grassroots-machine https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-insi...). No chance Bernie will do that. Bernie's answer to your question would probably be "I can't, but together we can." As cheesy as it sounds, it's true.

burtonator 7y ago

Why would he want to change the rules? They've spent so long trying to bend them for their own advantage.

scollet 7y ago

I feel like I'm missing the sarcasm here.

three_seagrass 7y ago

Bloomberg already is. He's pointing to the impact his $400M political donations have made, like getting women elected, stopping homelessness, youth education, etc. whenever asked. This $2,500/mo for influencers is a drop in the bucket.

ep103 7y ago

There is a candidate saying the rules are messed up, but its not Bloomberg, its Sanders. Bloomberg is the guy the rules were written to benefit. He doesn't want them changed. That's why he chose to run against Sanders, when it appeared Sanders could win.

remmargorp64 7y ago
Exactly. Bernie is the only candidate I know of who is a fan of getting the big money out of politics and has been fighting on that platform for years: https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-out-of-politics/ https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-out-of-politics/