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The theory I've heard is Seth Rich stole the emails via USB and sent them to WikiLeaks after the nomination was stolen from Bernie in 2016 and he recognized the

The theory I've heard is Seth Rich stole the emails via USB and sent them to WikiLeaks after the nomination was stolen from Bernie in 2016 and he recognized the corruption inside the DNC. Reports from the investigation into the hack suggest the data transfer rate matches USB transfer speeds. Seth Rich was later murdered in what was deemed a robbery, but neither his wallet nor watch were removed from his body

workaccountone 7y ago
Is there any evidence suggesting this Seth Rich story is believable? There's certainly ample evidence suggesting it is not. The (FOX) article that peddled this story has been retracted and Seth Rich's family is suing the network over it.
- derision 7y ago
  https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/ https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-r...
  - three_seagrass 7y ago
    This conspiracy has been debunked. The VIPS statement you linked to doesn't name their "independent cybersecurity" source, which was later proven to be the work of UK trolls: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dnc-hacked-itself-conspiracy-theory-collapses-key-backer-claim-exposed-as-uk-troll.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dn...
    - derision 7y ago
      Here's more information in another comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830
      - ccaleb 7y ago
        I don't mean to be condescending but perhaps you should continue your research. All of the stuff you're posting has been widely and thoroughly debunked. Additionally, you should think about which sources pushed this debunked information upon you. Are those trustworthy news sources?
        derision 7y ago
        I keep seeing people say it's debunked but their source for that is a news article that looks no different than my sources that doesn't provide convincing evidence in my opinion. Maybe you should continue your research on your debunking sources and think who pushed that theory onto you
        netsharc 7y ago
        I thought Hacker News had higher quality commenters than reddit, but lately I've been getting more and more disappointed. (Not with you but with the likes of Seth Rich-conspiracy-theory spreading idiots).
      - three_seagrass 7y ago
        That HN comment was debunked as well. See the response in the thread.
    - castlecrasher2 7y ago
      How is that a debunking? Sure, it points out an asinine argument but it's certainly not disproving anything.
      - three_seagrass 7y ago
        It's proving their source was false, which was the premise of their entire argument, effectively debunking it.
  - ccaleb 7y ago
    Again, this has been debunked, multiple times. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170814/11490537992/stories-claiming-dnc-hack-was-inside-job-rely-heavily-stupid-conversion-error-no-forensic-expert-would-make.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170814/11490537992/stori...
- akvadrako 7y ago
  There is evidence from the leaks it was an inside job - basically the time stamps indicate the files were copied at USB2 speeds.
  - orf 7y ago
    Imagine the lack of thought that goes into saying something like that. Not just saying it but also believing it. You’re getting this data from a third party. One that may well have used a USB stick to copy the data AFTER exfiltrating it using some other method, but BEFORE handing it to wiki leaks. Some shoddy timestamp correlations don’t mean that the data was stolen via USB in any way. They are inherently mutable and could well have been modified by an adversary to spread FUD.
    - akvadrako 7y ago
      Everything in the leak could be faked and nothing about it makes it definitionally due to a Russian hack either. But the evidence certainly seems to indicate a local copy done by somebody who wasn't trying to cover their tracks: https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-metadata-analysis/ https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-met... The only evidence pointing to Russians is the CIA says so. The NSA gave it about a 50% chance before joining the other agencies to parrot what the CIA said.
      - orf 7y ago
        Yeah a guy working for an organization who would outright murder you for leaking sensitive information sure wouldn’t bother covering his tracks while leaking sensitive information. Or, you know, this data was copied to a USB by Wikileaks at some point before publishing.
        akvadrako 7y ago
        That doesn't make any sense. The source of the archive isn't wikileaks and the timestamps originate a couple months before publishing in the EDT timezone, before being organized and packaged for release.
- tropo 7y ago
  Fox didn't create the highly suspicious facts. What Fox does or doesn't report is not relevant. Also, anybody can sue anybody for anything, so that means nothing either. Here we have an email recently obtained via FOIA, from Peter Strzok, showing he "squashed" the investigation: https://imgur.com/a/9r44Qf4 https://imgur.com/a/9r44Qf4 That adds to the pile of suspicion. Seth had the means and the motive. Random killings are not so likely, even in DC. The attacker didn't take anything of value. Podesta's emails also have very chilling comments about dealing with leakers.
favorited 7y ago
> after the nomination was stolen from Bernie in 2016 I personally helped steal it, by casting one of the 3.7 million votes Hillary had over Bernie.
- afiori 7y ago
  Did you also hide thousand of ballot boxes or conspired with DNC officials?
  - favorited 7y ago
    Yes. I'm also the one who leaked CNN debate questions, like: "here we are in Flint, MI – tell us what you think about the Flint water crisis." Also, I sent John Podesta that risotto recipe. BernieBro conspiracies haven't changed much in the last few years, I guess.
dragonwriter 7y ago
I was a Sanders supporter in 2016 (and am in 2020); while the system was in many ways rigged in advance to favor Clinton over any rival, there is no sense in which it is accurate to say that it was “stolen from” Sanders. I know this is a narrative that the Fox/Trump camp likes to push to exacerbate divisions within the anti-Trump opposition, but it's not at all accurate.

workaccountone 7y ago

Is there any evidence suggesting this Seth Rich story is believable? There's certainly ample evidence suggesting it is not. The (FOX) article that peddled this story has been retracted and Seth Rich's family is suing the network over it.

derision 7y ago
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/ https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-r...
- three_seagrass 7y ago
  This conspiracy has been debunked. The VIPS statement you linked to doesn't name their "independent cybersecurity" source, which was later proven to be the work of UK trolls: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dnc-hacked-itself-conspiracy-theory-collapses-key-backer-claim-exposed-as-uk-troll.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dn...
  - derision 7y ago
    Here's more information in another comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830
    - ccaleb 7y ago
      I don't mean to be condescending but perhaps you should continue your research. All of the stuff you're posting has been widely and thoroughly debunked. Additionally, you should think about which sources pushed this debunked information upon you. Are those trustworthy news sources?
      - derision 7y ago
        I keep seeing people say it's debunked but their source for that is a news article that looks no different than my sources that doesn't provide convincing evidence in my opinion. Maybe you should continue your research on your debunking sources and think who pushed that theory onto you
      - netsharc 7y ago
        I thought Hacker News had higher quality commenters than reddit, but lately I've been getting more and more disappointed. (Not with you but with the likes of Seth Rich-conspiracy-theory spreading idiots).
    - three_seagrass 7y ago
      That HN comment was debunked as well. See the response in the thread.
  - castlecrasher2 7y ago
    How is that a debunking? Sure, it points out an asinine argument but it's certainly not disproving anything.
    - three_seagrass 7y ago
      It's proving their source was false, which was the premise of their entire argument, effectively debunking it.
- ccaleb 7y ago
  Again, this has been debunked, multiple times. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170814/11490537992/stories-claiming-dnc-hack-was-inside-job-rely-heavily-stupid-conversion-error-no-forensic-expert-would-make.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170814/11490537992/stori...
akvadrako 7y ago
There is evidence from the leaks it was an inside job - basically the time stamps indicate the files were copied at USB2 speeds.
- orf 7y ago
  Imagine the lack of thought that goes into saying something like that. Not just saying it but also believing it. You’re getting this data from a third party. One that may well have used a USB stick to copy the data AFTER exfiltrating it using some other method, but BEFORE handing it to wiki leaks. Some shoddy timestamp correlations don’t mean that the data was stolen via USB in any way. They are inherently mutable and could well have been modified by an adversary to spread FUD.
  - akvadrako 7y ago
    Everything in the leak could be faked and nothing about it makes it definitionally due to a Russian hack either. But the evidence certainly seems to indicate a local copy done by somebody who wasn't trying to cover their tracks: https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-metadata-analysis/ https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-met... The only evidence pointing to Russians is the CIA says so. The NSA gave it about a 50% chance before joining the other agencies to parrot what the CIA said.
    - orf 7y ago
      Yeah a guy working for an organization who would outright murder you for leaking sensitive information sure wouldn’t bother covering his tracks while leaking sensitive information. Or, you know, this data was copied to a USB by Wikileaks at some point before publishing.
      - akvadrako 7y ago
        That doesn't make any sense. The source of the archive isn't wikileaks and the timestamps originate a couple months before publishing in the EDT timezone, before being organized and packaged for release.
tropo 7y ago
Fox didn't create the highly suspicious facts. What Fox does or doesn't report is not relevant. Also, anybody can sue anybody for anything, so that means nothing either. Here we have an email recently obtained via FOIA, from Peter Strzok, showing he "squashed" the investigation: https://imgur.com/a/9r44Qf4 https://imgur.com/a/9r44Qf4 That adds to the pile of suspicion. Seth had the means and the motive. Random killings are not so likely, even in DC. The attacker didn't take anything of value. Podesta's emails also have very chilling comments about dealing with leakers.

favorited 7y ago

> after the nomination was stolen from Bernie in 2016 I personally helped steal it, by casting one of the 3.7 million votes Hillary had over Bernie.

afiori 7y ago
Did you also hide thousand of ballot boxes or conspired with DNC officials?
- favorited 7y ago
  Yes. I'm also the one who leaked CNN debate questions, like: "here we are in Flint, MI – tell us what you think about the Flint water crisis." Also, I sent John Podesta that risotto recipe. BernieBro conspiracies haven't changed much in the last few years, I guess.

dragonwriter 7y ago

I was a Sanders supporter in 2016 (and am in 2020); while the system was in many ways rigged in advance to favor Clinton over any rival, there is no sense in which it is accurate to say that it was “stolen from” Sanders. I know this is a narrative that the Fox/Trump camp likes to push to exacerbate divisions within the anti-Trump opposition, but it's not at all accurate.