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I really dislike that you are asking me to do your homework for you. But, > Can you elaborate on this? The countries are predominantly muslim but how does tha

by beaner 7y ago

I really dislike that you are asking me to do your homework for you. But, > Can you elaborate on this? The countries are predominantly muslim but how does that make it a "muslim ban"? Are muslims still allowed from other countries? Yes. Are Christians from those banned countries allowed either? No. Seems straightforward then that it is not a muslim ban. The list of countries was composed by the Obama administration, not Trump. Trump just made a rational application of it. If there were a European ban, would it be a Christian ban? It would "disproportionately affect" Christians. Seems outlandish to think so. This characterization is ridiculous. > What Trump policies can be attributed to this? China trade war tariffs, for example. The China trade deal more broadly. The USMCA. The effort to make the US energy independent and a net exporter. [1] > earlier this year we were on the brink of war with Iran This depends on your choice of media and its bias and characterizations. The choice to strategically eliminate a single terrorist general with a missile, rather than wait for the plans he was brewing to bubble, prevented things from escalating and did it with zero casualties. This is an example of, not a counterpoint to, efforts to remove. > But Mueller is a registered republican? This seems like a very hollow thing to say. Whether or not the specific investigator is of a certain party is generally meaningless when his appointment is the decision of someone else, and the work on his team was mostly not carried out by him, but his staff. This would be true anyway, but it was clear in his deposition that he was also a mostly ignorant figurehead, unaware of a lot of what was happening. More broadly, I used the mueller investigation as an example of a wide trend, and that Mueller is a republican has nothing to do with that trend, or the statistical makeup of DC. > Prison reform Please literally google "trump prison reform". The First Step Act on Wikipedia is the first result. > Drug price transparency Please literally google "trump drug price transparency". The whitehouse fact sheet is the first result. [2] > Protection of religious expression in schools Please literally google "trump protection of religious expression in schools". The whitehouse fact sheet is the first result. [3] -- If you are genuinely surprised you've never heard of these things before, you may consider what aspects of your information intake may be bubble-like and self-reinforcing. It would be healthy to question the media narratives that you tend to consume, and/or opening your stream to other news sources. -- [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order-promoting-energy-independence-economic-growth/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential... [2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivering-promise-make-healthcare-prices-transparent/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-do... [3] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-safeguarding-right-religious-freedom-students-organizations/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-do...

dragonwriter 7y ago
> The countries are predominantly muslim but how does that make it a "muslim ban"? Because a Muslim ban was what Trump said he was going to do, and he explicitly linked the policy in question as the fulfillment of that commitment? https://www.cato.org/blog/dozen-times-trump-equated-travel-ban-muslim-ban https://www.cato.org/blog/dozen-times-trump-equated-travel-b...
- beaner 7y ago
  Okay... but a perceived motive and characterization of something doesn't actually make it so.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    Announced intent + evident actual intent + major effect make it a reasonable description. Sure, it's not exact in a logically pure sense, but that's not how most descriptions of things in reality rather than analytical ideals are intended.
    - beaner 7y ago
      Your characterization is wrong. "Major effect" - to what end? Not the end of banning muslims. If that's the goal, it's doing a really, really bad job at it, since the majority of muslims in the world are unaffected. The most recent 6 counties added to the list are not even predominantly muslim. If you have a child that claims he's going to dig a hole to china, but people tell him this is futile and he should consider digging a well instead, which is an action sort-of in the same direction but meaningfully different and actually practical, and then he agrees and digs a well, then you appreciate the well and call it a "well," you don't continue to call it a "hole to China," which it clearly is not. You could, but you'd be displaying your attachment to your original anger.

by beaner 7y ago

dragonwriter 7y ago

> The countries are predominantly muslim but how does that make it a "muslim ban"? Because a Muslim ban was what Trump said he was going to do, and he explicitly linked the policy in question as the fulfillment of that commitment? https://www.cato.org/blog/dozen-times-trump-equated-travel-ban-muslim-ban https://www.cato.org/blog/dozen-times-trump-equated-travel-b...

beaner 7y ago
Okay... but a perceived motive and characterization of something doesn't actually make it so.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  Announced intent + evident actual intent + major effect make it a reasonable description. Sure, it's not exact in a logically pure sense, but that's not how most descriptions of things in reality rather than analytical ideals are intended.
  - beaner 7y ago
    Your characterization is wrong. "Major effect" - to what end? Not the end of banning muslims. If that's the goal, it's doing a really, really bad job at it, since the majority of muslims in the world are unaffected. The most recent 6 counties added to the list are not even predominantly muslim. If you have a child that claims he's going to dig a hole to china, but people tell him this is futile and he should consider digging a well instead, which is an action sort-of in the same direction but meaningfully different and actually practical, and then he agrees and digs a well, then you appreciate the well and call it a "well," you don't continue to call it a "hole to China," which it clearly is not. You could, but you'd be displaying your attachment to your original anger.