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Tinder is a dating app, like other dating apps, can be possibly be used for hookups etc. but it's not directly advertised as such. A better counter example wou

by jariel 7y ago

Tinder is a dating app, like other dating apps, can be possibly be used for hookups etc. but it's not directly advertised as such. A better counter example would be 'Grindr' which is really de-facto focused on hookups, but they do a lot to avoid that in their presentation. But the point stands: if you advertise a hookup app, you will not be approved by any of those orgs. Apple just dropped one of those 'Sugar Daddy' style apps, i.e. focused on connecting younger women and older men on the basis of their 'wealthy appeal' though it's not a direct hookup / money for sex app either.

lozaning 7y ago
As far as I can recall, when Tinder first came out it most certainly was explicitly for hookups and casual sex.
kennywinker 7y ago
I pretty much reject your false dichotomy of dating vs hookup apps. The difference between a date and a hookup is what exactly? But even if we let that stand - the app in the article that was turned down is called #Open and it's very much a dating app like tinder/bumble/hinge not a hookup app (https://www.hashtagopen.com https://www.hashtagopen.com) - it just has a bunch of features focussed on non-standard relationship models (polyamory, open relationships). The other site mentioned in the article, ashley madison, is literally just a scam (https://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944 https://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-m...), so I have no problem with it being banned.
- jariel 7y ago
  If you can't grasp the difference between 'casual sex hookups' and 'dating' then I'm sorry for you, there's no point in my commenting on that. As for the app, I agree, it doesn't seem to be poignantly focused on 'casual sex' rather, it's directly focused on 'open relationships' - which is definitely different, but an often overlapping category. For a regular corporate policy, it's basically 'right on the line', but it's definitely within the rights of Facebook or any company with a very large audience to not have this included. Facebook has a global audience, and the vast majority of people in the world are not going to go for something like this, and probably a plurality of people within the Western World. FYI the app Apple dumped was 'Seeking' (Sugar Daddy) and I'm not aware if it's a scam or not, but it surely lies within the same category of 'consent, but something many people would find somewhere in the range of offensive'. If the FCC or some agency were taking down their web-site, I would be up in arms, that would be a huge line crossed, but apparently this crosses FB's specific guidelines (and probably those of many others) for ads, which is very well within reason. So, you can do almost what you like 'in the world' (i.e. the net), but on private domains, the rules are going to be more specific, welcome to reality.
  - kennywinker 7y ago
    > If you can't grasp the difference between 'casual sex hookups' and 'dating' then I'm sorry for you I’m sorry but you can’t brush the point off that easily. The difference between a date and a hookup is BS. Hookup is just a judgmental description of a short sexual relationship. E.g. Two people go on a ”date”. They have sex. They never see eachother again. Hookup, right? Except maybe they both are seeking a long term relationship, but due to sexual incompatibility or random life events they don’t end up seeing each other again. Now it seems more like a failed attempt at dating, than a hookup. Two people meet up for the purposes of a sexual encounter. They have a few drinks together, aren’t feeling it and go their separate ways without having sex. That sounds like a date. No other description fits, since they didn’t have sex. Two people meet up for a ”hookup”. It goes well, they repeat it. Two years later they are married with a kid on the way. Was there a point where it was a hookup and then it turned into serious dating? Maybe but where?
    - soylentcola 7y ago
      My thoughts as well. A few years ago I found myself single again after a 10-year relationship went sour. The current form of online dating hadn't existed the last time I was a potential user of said services, but my experiences line up pretty well with what you outlined. I used Tinder, OKCupid, and Bumble for the most part and matched up with people with a variety of results. My general approach was to seek out potential long term relationships but didn't mind "having a little fun with Ms. Wrong while looking for Ms. Right" as the saying goes. Many of these matches went nowhere as there wasn't mutual interest. A few ended up as short term things with maybe 1-3 dates and occasionally some intimate activity. One ended up as a longer term relationship that is ongoing a few years later. None of these were specifically "hookup" apps. Two out of the three "short-term with physical intimacy" relationships were started via OKCupid (commonly seen as dating-focused) rather than Tinder (seen as hookup-focused). Yet I still had a mix of "hookups" and longer term dating.
scarejunba 7y ago
Tinder is explicitly a hookup app.

by jariel 7y ago

lozaning 7y ago

As far as I can recall, when Tinder first came out it most certainly was explicitly for hookups and casual sex.

kennywinker 7y ago

I pretty much reject your false dichotomy of dating vs hookup apps. The difference between a date and a hookup is what exactly? But even if we let that stand - the app in the article that was turned down is called #Open and it's very much a dating app like tinder/bumble/hinge not a hookup app (https://www.hashtagopen.com https://www.hashtagopen.com) - it just has a bunch of features focussed on non-standard relationship models (polyamory, open relationships). The other site mentioned in the article, ashley madison, is literally just a scam (https://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944 https://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-m...), so I have no problem with it being banned.

jariel 7y ago
If you can't grasp the difference between 'casual sex hookups' and 'dating' then I'm sorry for you, there's no point in my commenting on that. As for the app, I agree, it doesn't seem to be poignantly focused on 'casual sex' rather, it's directly focused on 'open relationships' - which is definitely different, but an often overlapping category. For a regular corporate policy, it's basically 'right on the line', but it's definitely within the rights of Facebook or any company with a very large audience to not have this included. Facebook has a global audience, and the vast majority of people in the world are not going to go for something like this, and probably a plurality of people within the Western World. FYI the app Apple dumped was 'Seeking' (Sugar Daddy) and I'm not aware if it's a scam or not, but it surely lies within the same category of 'consent, but something many people would find somewhere in the range of offensive'. If the FCC or some agency were taking down their web-site, I would be up in arms, that would be a huge line crossed, but apparently this crosses FB's specific guidelines (and probably those of many others) for ads, which is very well within reason. So, you can do almost what you like 'in the world' (i.e. the net), but on private domains, the rules are going to be more specific, welcome to reality.
- kennywinker 7y ago
  > If you can't grasp the difference between 'casual sex hookups' and 'dating' then I'm sorry for you I’m sorry but you can’t brush the point off that easily. The difference between a date and a hookup is BS. Hookup is just a judgmental description of a short sexual relationship. E.g. Two people go on a ”date”. They have sex. They never see eachother again. Hookup, right? Except maybe they both are seeking a long term relationship, but due to sexual incompatibility or random life events they don’t end up seeing each other again. Now it seems more like a failed attempt at dating, than a hookup. Two people meet up for the purposes of a sexual encounter. They have a few drinks together, aren’t feeling it and go their separate ways without having sex. That sounds like a date. No other description fits, since they didn’t have sex. Two people meet up for a ”hookup”. It goes well, they repeat it. Two years later they are married with a kid on the way. Was there a point where it was a hookup and then it turned into serious dating? Maybe but where?
  - soylentcola 7y ago
    My thoughts as well. A few years ago I found myself single again after a 10-year relationship went sour. The current form of online dating hadn't existed the last time I was a potential user of said services, but my experiences line up pretty well with what you outlined. I used Tinder, OKCupid, and Bumble for the most part and matched up with people with a variety of results. My general approach was to seek out potential long term relationships but didn't mind "having a little fun with Ms. Wrong while looking for Ms. Right" as the saying goes. Many of these matches went nowhere as there wasn't mutual interest. A few ended up as short term things with maybe 1-3 dates and occasionally some intimate activity. One ended up as a longer term relationship that is ongoing a few years later. None of these were specifically "hookup" apps. Two out of the three "short-term with physical intimacy" relationships were started via OKCupid (commonly seen as dating-focused) rather than Tinder (seen as hookup-focused). Yet I still had a mix of "hookups" and longer term dating.

scarejunba 7y ago

Tinder is explicitly a hookup app.