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>even at newly formed companies in that most forward-thinking industry, tech. I dispute this heavily, I've worked in both tech and some traditionally other hea

by throwaway2048 7y ago

>even at newly formed companies in that most forward-thinking industry, tech. I dispute this heavily, I've worked in both tech and some traditionally other heavily male dominated industries, like construction and oilfield work. While both have their sexists, I find that the problem is far worse, and far more accepted in tech than either. Blue collar workers often just have an old fashioned view of the sexes, but tech workers often have an actively virulent anti-woman persecution syndrome, as extolled by the post above. Women I have seen go into heavy industry lines of work seem to fare far better, and face less bullshit (anecdotally of course).

MockObject 7y ago
> While both have their sexists, I find that the problem is far worse, and far more accepted in tech than either. > as extolled by the post above. The post above that was killed by downvotes? Why is HN such an outlier, and how is it holding out for so long and resisting this dominant, anti-woman culture of the tech industry?
- wpietri 7y ago
  It isn't "holding out". Having used this place a decade longer than you, I'd say that it's notably better than it used to be. As you say, blatant, factually wrong misogyny does sometimes get downvoted now. Especially in a case like this, which has been prominently covered, discussed for years, and stars a well-known bad actor like Uber. But "less bad than it used to be" doesn't mean that it's good.
wpietri 7y ago
I can totally believe that. There are a lot of smart, well-meaning people who believe they couldn't possibly be entangled in a problematic system, let alone benefiting from it or even responsible for it. It has been a long time since I worked in a factory or a restaurant. But in both those environments there was a straightforwardness, a bluntness that I miss. It was often obvious that things were fucked up, and people could be quite frank about it. In tech we build things out of words to match visions. It's not shocking at all to me that it's often easier to see the vision than the reality.

MockObject 7y ago

> While both have their sexists, I find that the problem is far worse, and far more accepted in tech than either. > as extolled by the post above. The post above that was killed by downvotes? Why is HN such an outlier, and how is it holding out for so long and resisting this dominant, anti-woman culture of the tech industry?

wpietri 7y ago
It isn't "holding out". Having used this place a decade longer than you, I'd say that it's notably better than it used to be. As you say, blatant, factually wrong misogyny does sometimes get downvoted now. Especially in a case like this, which has been prominently covered, discussed for years, and stars a well-known bad actor like Uber. But "less bad than it used to be" doesn't mean that it's good.

wpietri 7y ago

I can totally believe that. There are a lot of smart, well-meaning people who believe they couldn't possibly be entangled in a problematic system, let alone benefiting from it or even responsible for it. It has been a long time since I worked in a factory or a restaurant. But in both those environments there was a straightforwardness, a bluntness that I miss. It was often obvious that things were fucked up, and people could be quite frank about it. In tech we build things out of words to match visions. It's not shocking at all to me that it's often easier to see the vision than the reality.