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Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. -- - The wall - Fight against sanctuary cities, includin

by beaner 7y ago

Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. -- - The wall - Fight against sanctuary cities, including now support for a bill that would allow relatives of murdered US citizens who were victims of aliens protected by Sanctuary laws, to sue those sanctuary cities. - Travel ban, which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" by whether or not you actually think it's a "muslim ban." - Stronger economy through less regulation - Bring back jobs to US - Rational trade deals that prioritize US, not sacrifice it. (China, USMCA, etc.) - A general aversion to taking other first-world countries' shit, who simultaneously exploit us for money and protection, and say how horrible we are. - Reversal of Iran deal - Efforts to remove US from middle east - Prison reform - Drug price transparency - "Drain the swamp" / exposure of the "deep state" / revelation that this concept is real and simple: the natural bias that occurs within government when there is a 90%/10% political imbalance. (Currently 90% democrat/10% republican.) This manifests as things like the Mueller report: based on a lie, started by hostile government actors, causes a shit-ton of political casualties who would not even be considered if they were on the other side, wastes everybody's time and money. And it is only possible for it to happen one way: against Republicans. This is transparent and obvious. - 5 year foreign lobbying ban - Repeal and replace Obamacare. (As an anecdote, my mom said that out of the whole 8 years of Obama as president, the only thing that really changed for her is that she paid more for insurance while receiving less, a direct result of Obamacare.) - Support the vets / VA - Space Force - Supreme court justice - Protection of religious expression in schools - "Fuck you" to liberal elites [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDL3Yjl31K8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDL3Yjl31K8

cyorir 7y ago
> Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. > which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" Implying that those who disagree with you are "crazy leftists" might be one reason for a downvote, for a start.
- pacoWebConsult 7y ago
  That's a bad faith response. He literally said if you believe it's a honest-to-god muslim ban he will categorize you as a 'crazy leftist', not if you disagree with him about whether or not it is good or bad. It is objectively not a muslim ban as anyone from those countries was barred, and the demographics of the countries don't automatically make it a muslim ban or imply any malfeasance by the president.
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gruez 7y ago
I'll bite. >- Travel ban, which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" by whether or not you actually think it's a "muslim ban." Can you elaborate on this? While it's not a literal ban on muslims, it does disporportionately affect muslims. >- Bring back jobs to US What Trump policies can be attributed to this? AFAIK there a bunch of reports that a bunch of companies that "brough back" jobs were planning on doing it anyways (eg. carrier/honeywell, couldn't remember which). >- Efforts to remove US from middle east Sure, he hastily pulled out of Syria, but earlier this year we were on the brink of war with Iran. What gives? >- the natural bias that occurs within government when there is a 90%/10% political imbalance. [...] This manifests as things like the Mueller report: [...] But Mueller is a registered republican? >- Prison reform >- Drug price transparency >- Protection of religious expression in schools I'm not aware of any of these. Can you elaborate?
- beaner 7y ago
  I really dislike that you are asking me to do your homework for you. But, > Can you elaborate on this? The countries are predominantly muslim but how does that make it a "muslim ban"? Are muslims still allowed from other countries? Yes. Are Christians from those banned countries allowed either? No. Seems straightforward then that it is not a muslim ban. The list of countries was composed by the Obama administration, not Trump. Trump just made a rational application of it. If there were a European ban, would it be a Christian ban? It would "disproportionately affect" Christians. Seems outlandish to think so. This characterization is ridiculous. > What Trump policies can be attributed to this? China trade war tariffs, for example. The China trade deal more broadly. The USMCA. The effort to make the US energy independent and a net exporter. [1] > earlier this year we were on the brink of war with Iran This depends on your choice of media and its bias and characterizations. The choice to strategically eliminate a single terrorist general with a missile, rather than wait for the plans he was brewing to bubble, prevented things from escalating and did it with zero casualties. This is an example of, not a counterpoint to, efforts to remove. > But Mueller is a registered republican? This seems like a very hollow thing to say. Whether or not the specific investigator is of a certain party is generally meaningless when his appointment is the decision of someone else, and the work on his team was mostly not carried out by him, but his staff. This would be true anyway, but it was clear in his deposition that he was also a mostly ignorant figurehead, unaware of a lot of what was happening. More broadly, I used the mueller investigation as an example of a wide trend, and that Mueller is a republican has nothing to do with that trend, or the statistical makeup of DC. > Prison reform Please literally google "trump prison reform". The First Step Act on Wikipedia is the first result. > Drug price transparency Please literally google "trump drug price transparency". The whitehouse fact sheet is the first result. [2] > Protection of religious expression in schools Please literally google "trump protection of religious expression in schools". The whitehouse fact sheet is the first result. [3] -- If you are genuinely surprised you've never heard of these things before, you may consider what aspects of your information intake may be bubble-like and self-reinforcing. It would be healthy to question the media narratives that you tend to consume, and/or opening your stream to other news sources. -- [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order-promoting-energy-independence-economic-growth/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential... [2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivering-promise-make-healthcare-prices-transparent/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-do... [3] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-safeguarding-right-religious-freedom-students-organizations/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-do...

by beaner 7y ago

cyorir 7y ago

> Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. > which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" Implying that those who disagree with you are "crazy leftists" might be one reason for a downvote, for a start.

pacoWebConsult 7y ago
That's a bad faith response. He literally said if you believe it's a honest-to-god muslim ban he will categorize you as a 'crazy leftist', not if you disagree with him about whether or not it is good or bad. It is objectively not a muslim ban as anyone from those countries was barred, and the demographics of the countries don't automatically make it a muslim ban or imply any malfeasance by the president.
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gruez 7y ago

I'll bite. >- Travel ban, which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" by whether or not you actually think it's a "muslim ban." Can you elaborate on this? While it's not a literal ban on muslims, it does disporportionately affect muslims. >- Bring back jobs to US What Trump policies can be attributed to this? AFAIK there a bunch of reports that a bunch of companies that "brough back" jobs were planning on doing it anyways (eg. carrier/honeywell, couldn't remember which). >- Efforts to remove US from middle east Sure, he hastily pulled out of Syria, but earlier this year we were on the brink of war with Iran. What gives? >- the natural bias that occurs within government when there is a 90%/10% political imbalance. [...] This manifests as things like the Mueller report: [...] But Mueller is a registered republican? >- Prison reform >- Drug price transparency >- Protection of religious expression in schools I'm not aware of any of these. Can you elaborate?

beaner 7y ago
I really dislike that you are asking me to do your homework for you. But, > Can you elaborate on this? The countries are predominantly muslim but how does that make it a "muslim ban"? Are muslims still allowed from other countries? Yes. Are Christians from those banned countries allowed either? No. Seems straightforward then that it is not a muslim ban. The list of countries was composed by the Obama administration, not Trump. Trump just made a rational application of it. If there were a European ban, would it be a Christian ban? It would "disproportionately affect" Christians. Seems outlandish to think so. This characterization is ridiculous. > What Trump policies can be attributed to this? China trade war tariffs, for example. The China trade deal more broadly. The USMCA. The effort to make the US energy independent and a net exporter. [1] > earlier this year we were on the brink of war with Iran This depends on your choice of media and its bias and characterizations. The choice to strategically eliminate a single terrorist general with a missile, rather than wait for the plans he was brewing to bubble, prevented things from escalating and did it with zero casualties. This is an example of, not a counterpoint to, efforts to remove. > But Mueller is a registered republican? This seems like a very hollow thing to say. Whether or not the specific investigator is of a certain party is generally meaningless when his appointment is the decision of someone else, and the work on his team was mostly not carried out by him, but his staff. This would be true anyway, but it was clear in his deposition that he was also a mostly ignorant figurehead, unaware of a lot of what was happening. More broadly, I used the mueller investigation as an example of a wide trend, and that Mueller is a republican has nothing to do with that trend, or the statistical makeup of DC. > Prison reform Please literally google "trump prison reform". The First Step Act on Wikipedia is the first result. > Drug price transparency Please literally google "trump drug price transparency". The whitehouse fact sheet is the first result. [2] > Protection of religious expression in schools Please literally google "trump protection of religious expression in schools". The whitehouse fact sheet is the first result. [3] -- If you are genuinely surprised you've never heard of these things before, you may consider what aspects of your information intake may be bubble-like and self-reinforcing. It would be healthy to question the media narratives that you tend to consume, and/or opening your stream to other news sources. -- [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-executive-order-promoting-energy-independence-economic-growth/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential... [2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivering-promise-make-healthcare-prices-transparent/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-do... [3] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-safeguarding-right-religious-freedom-students-organizations/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-do...